Oregon fines Salem gym $90,000 for staying open, violating COVID-19 order

then you have nothing, got it

 

dems can't do it alone, Trump telling people that wearing a mask is anti-trump did not help

 

yes they did, just like Trump... they all played it down

 

Please show me which Article or Amendment says that the above is true. TIA...

 

If we "will never know" then why are you making such reckless statements? Are you just trying to foment division?

 

It's your time to waste as you see fit, but engaging with partisan zealots is as wasteful as it gets.

 

No, he's trying to achieve some degree of justice for thousands who died alone because their families could not visit them, relieved to pass away because each breath was excruciatingly painful. Death by COVID is particularly agonizing and horrible.

Make no mistake, there is NO way this tragedy was unavoidable in this country and no one person is totally responsible for it as Trump. He knew this disease was deadly, he knew what had to be done, he could have done it easily and he didn't. He should pay and pay heavily for that egregious, inexcusable, and yes INEXPLICABLE neglect.

 

I dont think Freshair is a Trump supporter though.
Trump supporters just believe anything. Look how Moolk fails to provide anything to back up his falsehoods. Embarrassing.

 

Trump's travel bans were less than ineffectual, they gave us a false sense of safety while meanwhile letting over 400,000 travelers from China enter our country. Meanwhile, Trump did NOTHING that might have actually mitigated the disease.

Once AGAIN I have to point out that S Korea, with fully one-sixth of our 300 million people has only 523 deaths. Trump cultists ignore this figure because it shows the Bronze Bomber up as the egregious murderer he is.

 

No law involved. I hope the authoritarian decree included mention of the fine if not obeyed. If not, I suspect the governor would end up empty handed in court.

 

Honestly, if the government is forcing businesses to shut down necause of their own decisions, then they should be properly compensating each of them for each week without revenue. Yes, that is tax payer money but if the state decides to go after a business simply because it's deemed "non essential" then it's on the state to shoulder that burden themself. And I don't mean unemployment either, I mean paying for rent and the average weekly earnings to the owner. Otherwise you can't really be shocked when people are willing to risk punishment just to survive.

 

Another factor to consider is that the fools they elected are also usurping power they are not authorized to have. Usurpation of power is an age-old problem with humans in government.

 

For trying to put food on the table.

Nice.

 

Who will survive it?

Those that don't have mortgages on the homes for their business, the ones not paying rent, those getting 5 times their wages in unemployment and stimulus to buy new tvs?

Over 200,000 small businesses have closed permanently. The left is about to witness first hand that trickle down does in fact work, and it works both ways.

 

What laws can I break in the name of business? I need food on the table too. Why are you supporting criminal behavior?

 

If you're a democrat politician.....any you want apparently.

 

I'm not. So, what laws can I break?

 

None.

What parts of the constitution are state and local governments allowed to violate?

 

Look, I understand much of that. And sympathize with it, because I was stuck in a nursing home for non-COVID related reasons in the early days of the pandemic, and very well may have had the disease (I certainly had many of the symptoms), but this was before people freaked out if someone sneezed and when testing wasn't exactly easy to do or readily available. In fact, despite my symptoms that were so obvious that even Stevie Wonder could see them, no healthcare professional even suggested that I get tested.

But what I and my wife suffered emotionally the worst from was the fact that she couldn't even visit me. Hell, they wouldn't even let her in to pack up my stuff when I got discharged, and I had to trust some random nurse or tech to do it, and make sure all of my belongings got packed, and packed properly.

But ignoring my personal issues, if a positive link cannot be established between "Trump lied" and "people died", as the poster alleged, but also freely admitted that he could not back that statement up with verifiable facts, it's a completely irrelevant and divisive thing to say, and especially to say for no reason.

Which is it? Is there "NO way this tragedy was unavoidable", or is it Trump's fault? Fact is back in those days (and I have a very unique perspective on it considering my personal situation at the time), NOBODY knew what they were dealing with. I mean, do we wear masks, or should we not? We were told both, by the same people, some of whom are allegedly subject matter experts. Yes, in the early days there were issues with PPE availability, but that problem went away a LONG time ago, so even if by some convoluted logic you can actually blame Trump for that initial problem, then I suppose you must also credit him with it having been solved, too. But I guess nobody informed Biden that it was a solved problem, because he was hammering Trump SPECIFICALLY on the subject of PPE availability in almost every other commercial in the last few weeks before the election.

 

Good. So You agree with the fine. So do I.

 

Sometimes it's just better to put them on ignore !!!

 

You know there is a way to fix that, assuming enough others agree with your assessment that it is an "arcane institution"? In fact, the way to "fix" it (personally, I don't think it NEEDS fixing) is built right into the same document that gave us the EC in the first place.

 

What did SK do better than the US which helped them get such better death rates? And was it done with informed knowledge, or just a lucky guess that happened to work out?

 

That doesn't seem to be something that bothers the left, or even raises to the level of something that needs to be addressed. In this very thread, I have directly asked at least 3 or 4 times for someone to point me to the Constitutional provisions that allow for such things, and I haven't even so much as gotten a LAME excuse, much less a non-lame one. In fact, the question has been treated as if I didn't even ask it. Maybe I got high and just thought I did.

 

What laws do Governors have the authority to just create by proclamation, without so much as getting their Legislatures to pass a bill authorizing them in the first place?