oung athlete, 11, grabbed gun from his mom’s car before shooting teammates: surveillance footage

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  1. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    Proving once again: GUN FREE ZONES = KILLING ZONES

    When will they ever learn?

    https://spectator.org/mass-shootings-lessons-since-columbine-2/
     
  2. FatBack

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    Waiting under the bridge?
     
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  3. Izzy

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    Are you ****ing serious?

    "Safe storage" is LEGALLY REQUIRED, even in ****-hole Florida.
     
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    See, the anti-gun left wants to blame the gun, because they know they can prey upon the emotions of the ignorant.

    The REAL issue here is not the guns - or the 2nd Amendment - but, as another poster pointed out:
    It was over a "bag of chips".
    How mentally ****ed-up is it for a kid to want to use a gun for that?

    The anti-gun left isn't interested in the cause of violence like this, just how it can be used to further itsagenda.

     
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  5. Izzy

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    Looking more closely at the story it looks like its not about a bag of chips, but bullying behavior which included knocking stuff out of his hands (the chips) which likely came with some threats.
     
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    Unsurprisingly, you are ignorant of the law.
    Legal requirements to secure firearms were ruled unconstitutional two decades ago.

    3. The handgun ban and the trigger-lock requirement (as applied to self-defense) violate the Second Amendment . The District’s total ban on handgun possession in the home amounts to a prohibition on an entire class of “arms” that Americans overwhelmingly choose for the lawful purpose of self-defense. Under any of the standards of scrutiny the Court has applied to enumerated constitutional rights, this prohibition—in the place where the importance of the lawful defense of self, family, and property is most acute—would fail constitutional muster. Similarly, the requirement that any lawful firearm in the home be disassembled or bound by a trigger lock makes it impossible for citizens to use arms for the core lawful purpose of self-defense and is hence unconstitutional.
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZS.html

    Try to keep up.
     
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    Oh gosh.
    The self-defense argument just got stronger.

    I wonder if the OP finished his popcorn.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I had access to firearms from age 9. I was raised to know how to safely operate a firearm and to hit what I was aiming for. Throughout history, children were raised in homes with a gun in the wall. Why do you think children weren't shooting each other then?

    While we're at it, why do you think people are moving to FL?
     
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    Ignore the facts that if the kid didn't have access to an illegally stored gun 2 kids would never have been shot and the suspect would have had to use other ways to deal with or not deal with that "bag of chips".
     
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    You stated the only facts that matter, as they reference the cause of this shooting:
    It was over a "bag of chips".
    How mentally ****ed-up is it for a kid to want to use a gun for that?
     
  12. Izzy

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    Your youthful access to guns has zilch to do with what took place.

    People always moved to Florida.
    retirement
    weather
    taxes
    tourism and construction jobs
    and now some MAGAs
     
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    The cause of this shooting was a gun that wasn't SECURED from a juvenile.
     
  14. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My question was about all the kids throughout history having access to guns, but were not shooting each other. Why are they shooting each other now?
     
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    Your statement is false, as you proved with your own words:
    It was over a "bag of chips".
    How mentally ****ed-up is it for a kid to want to use a gun for that?
     
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    So it was the "bag of chips" that shot the 2 kids and not the illegally stored gun.
    :roflol:

    Hopefully you can't own firearms for all children's safety.
     
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    I'm sorry you do not like the fact you defeated your own argument, but there's nothing I can do about it.
     
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    Ask Izzy. She knows.
    It was over a "bag of chips".
    How mentally ****ed-up is it for a kid to want to use a gun for that?
     
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    This shooter lives in Florida and is following the examples set.
    Shoot first ask questions later.
     
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    Learn comprehension for starters.
     
  21. Izzy

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    Another failure from you and for DC to boot. lol


    Chapter 790 Section 174 - 2011 Florida Statutes
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    Florida Senate (.gov)
    https://www.flsenate.gov › Laws › Statutes

    2011 Florida Statutes ... Safe storage of firearms required. ... (1) A person who stores or leaves, on a premise under his or her control, a loaded firearm, as .

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    790.174 Safe storage of firearms required.—
    (1) A person who stores or leaves, on a premise under his or her control, a loaded firearm, as defined in s. 790.001, and who knows or reasonably should know that a minor is likely to gain access to the firearm without the lawful permission of the minor’s parent or the person having charge of the minor, or without the supervision required by law, shall keep the firearm in a securely locked box or container or in a location which a reasonable person would believe to be secure or shall secure it with a trigger lock, except when the person is carrying the firearm on his or her body or within such close proximity thereto that he or she can retrieve and use it as easily and quickly as if he or she carried it on his or her body.
    (2) It is a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083, if a person violates subsection (1) by failing to store or leave a firearm in the required manner and as a result thereof a minor gains access to the firearm, without the lawful permission of the minor’s parent or the person having charge of the minor, and possesses or exhibits it, without the supervision required by law:
    (a) In a public place; or
    (b) In a rude, careless, angry, or threatening manner in violation of s. 790.10
     
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  22. DEFinning

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    You obviously did not use the link, to watch the video. There was no imminent harm. He had retreated to the safety of the car. That is a legitimate defense, if not anything boastworthy. It is a grossly ludicrous & perverse concept, that all school children should be able to enforce their right to "stand their ground," through the use of deadly force. FYI, there are many other alternatives, for dealing with bullies.
     
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    Then why did you say

    "Sure, you can defend yourself-- but not by shooting them (in the back, no less)!"

    I'm just responding to your comment, and asking you how does the 11 year old defend himself against multiple 14 year olds?
     
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    It isn't here in Maine, because we make sense here. What good is having a gun if you can't get to it within seconds of needing it?
     
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    I have been involved in firearm training all my life and have never heard of these examples you claim are "set". Can you cite these examples?
     
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