Outrage grows over police killing of Stephon Clark in Sacramento: '20 shots over a cellphone'

30 feet is a very long way in the dark and with a handgun. Plus a gun and cell phone is awfully hard to tell apart in that set of circumstances.

 

There are lot of cases of men eating 15 bullets and not only still being able to move, but in some cases surviving. This is why cops are taught to shoot until the target stops moving. The media always portrays as as "Oh my god, they shot him twenty times," implying that this is some kind of grossly disproportionate behaviour, it's just procedure.

Anyway I feel like the fault lies about 35/65, 65% being the officers. The man shouldn't have been hopping fences and he shouldn't have bolted when the cops talked to him. The officers shouldn't have been so high-strung about a suspect breaking windows, it's not like you're looking for a serial murderer.

A lot of this is a side-effect of living in a country with 350M firearms, every split second of inattention means you can get killed. There are bodycam videos on youtube of suspects pretending to comply and then pulling a weapon, and we're looking at literally a 1 second reaction on the part of the cop otherwise he would be dead. Cops in Canada or European countries are playing on easy mode, there aren't guns laying everywhere, the vast majority of the population doesn't own one or may have not seen one in their lives.

That being said I don't think the officers should be punished, they followed procedure. If they do end up being punished it will be as a result of the precinct trying to save face in front of media outrage rather than something that's actually justified.

 

Waiting on the examples.

 

You're mostly correct. The officers were following procedure and training. I'm curious as to what weapon/ammo combination was used. Lots of flash at night and vision goes out the window pretty quickly.

 

Please, I don't have to go every police shooting. Besides when if EVER should a black guy get shot?

 

irrelevant. you can't use lethal force if your life is not actually endangered. 30ft is a very long way, and this person posed no thread at all to LE. Based on the body cam video, the cops had cover and were protected. They are required to verify a weapon is present. They did not, and made an illegal shooting.

 

Thanks for showing that it depends on the situation.

 

You see no difference at all in the actions of the two persons the police were confronting? NONE?

 

The requirement is a reasonable fear. Try again.

 

obviously. The situation in this case, the officer made an illegal shoot and wrongfully terminated this persons life. They were in no way justified to shoot.

 

and they didn't have a reasonable fear, which is the point. So I don't need to try again.

 

If they thought he had a gun it's really moot, the body cam audio clearly states this. It's not pretty, but it's not murder.

 

If it is, they need to change the procedure.

 

Why?

 

What the body cam audio shows, is that they screamed drop it drop it while simultaneously firing upon him.

Not first degree murder. Manslaughter at the least, but more appropriately second degree murder.

 

Won't wash. Just be prepared for the riots. After all it is California. Hell Moonbeam will probably encourage it.

 

Don't make the statement if you can't back it up.

When he is unjustly threating others lives or property. When should a white guy get shot?

 

Yeah, "manufactured outrage". It's outrageous that citizens would question the murderous corporate state police like this. Besides, patriots know that manufactured outrage is reserved for things like our bogus Iraq War or our current ramp ups against Russia, NK and China.

 

If the police were professional rather than executionary the kid would be alive. But that’s not what the police are for in a postindustrial society with corporate for profit prisons and convict labor leasing sans a right to Habeas Corpus.

 

Please, the real liberal rule here is that blacks can't be shot for anything, especially if they demonstrate criminal behavior and bad judgment.

 

Because 1 or 2 is sufficient.

 

Huh? What procedure would you change?

 

Police don't like live victims after a shooting. Dead men don't talk and can't become witnesses.

The police policy is to ensure the kill after a victim has been shot. That's why there are 20 bullets in this victim.

The police must have shot him while he was laying on the ground after he fell from the first few shots. They turned off their microphones which indicates they were about to perform actions they didn't want to be evidenced on sound recordings.

 

Well that's confusing since you said "no it doesn't", then went on to give exceptions.

The suspect ran from the police and resisted arrest, then was caught in a felony B&E, then got shot.

He set the precedent from failing to obey commands from the beginning of the encounter.

You should join the force and show them how it's done. You can shoot back once you're hit. Try that method.