Over 60% of US voters say Russia is enemy – poll

Yes, they are studied in "History of homeland" class, at ~8-10 grades, in "History of XX century" segment.

As example - metodic materials about repressions for teacher:

http://festival.1september.ru/articles/212495/

Materials for preparation to a final school exam:

http://egistor.ru/ege-po-istorii/sssr-v-1930.html

A.A. Danilov, 9th grade, "History of Russia. XX century" textbook:

http://padaread.com/?book=18962&pg=79

§ 26 Political system of Stalinism

Exam test in 2013, history of XX century:

https://hist-ege.sdamgia.ru/test?theme=105

Consider this being a simple "yes" with addition of proves for solidity. Yes, we study all of our history at school, albeit I won't claim that repressions and especially war crimes get lot of attention - yet pupils are aware of them. The issue of Golodomor, though, is not studied as genocide, but a famine - but that question is still debated among scientists, and has more then enough factors that explain how it can have had occurred naturally. You have your opinion, I have mine, and only a lazy, deaf, blind lobotomy patient does yet not heard of the genocide version existing. Still, the rest is studied in the way it should be. And if anybody wants to study it deeper - they either can indulge in reading books and Internet, or enroll in university.



And in meantime you are saying that massacre of hundreds thousands of unarmed people is justified.

 

The Reagan administration supported the Apartheid regime in South Africa. Nelson Mandela was on the US Terrorist List until the Bush administration took him off.

 

Yes, that is strange. Perhaps there's more than one version of events.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Crimea

 

What was done was done, unfortunately, it brought a quick end to the war, whereas the starvation was meant to destroy an entire civilization.

You mean as in how again Ninian? I believe we discussed that, unfortunate but paybacks are a bi*** aren't they, they attacked first, it brought a quick end to the war. Extermination of the entire Japanese people wasn't exactly the plan, unlike Stalin's genocide of 8+ million ukranians vwhich was deliberate since they were too "idealistic" and must be taught a lesson. So no surprise it's taught as a "famine" and not genocide, I quoted a link earlier , which is just one example.

 

Lest we forget Russia is the motherland of all marxists, liberals, socialists and other freaks .....how did they suddenly turn on their Motherland? Remember Bill Clintons trip to pay homage to mother russia whilst still a student.

Very strange now that liberals seem so anti russian? what happened to their mantra of better red than dead. etc.etc. and so on and so forth.

 

I think you took the wrong pictures. The ones that you posted is what Japanese people have done with Hiroshima and Nagasaki. What US has done to these cities is displayed on these pictures:

 

It wasn't? Tell me, if they would've not surrendered - how many more bombs would've been dropped? And don't feed me that "payback is a bitch", CIVILIANS did not attacked you, Japan attacked MILITARY target. Sure, they were not angels. And you - YOU - right now saying that it is justified to commit a massacre, when you fight somebody ruthless. It makes women and children on the other side somehow less human?

And I am not here discussion Union right now, I am right now discussing States. STOP. HIDING. BEHIND. STALIN.

It is not HIM who dropped these bombs, and it is not HIM who for seven decades keep justifying the atrosity!

 

What about Japan and Korea who have hurt the US economically?

 

"Over 60% of US voters say Russia is enemy"

They say it because they've been brainwashed since childhood (which is the time to get 'em?) into believing it.

 

i know that olgino propaganda live in 1945 dreaming about Yalta 2:0. but we in the free world live in 2017... and badly here is reality from Belarusian Chernobyl lands under Muscovite occupation ,what do you think about live quality there, similar to Hiroshima and Nagasaki.?

 

A very short while ago Barack and Vlad were very close.







They are the 'enemy' now only because leftist leaders are trying to create a scandal, using their media and the millions of poorly informed Democrats as their tools.

 

High schools and Universities help generate their ignorance.

 

They're liberals. That means they're beliefs are very flexible and skilled politicians can get them to believe anything at all. We've seen that happen in some of the world's most civilized countries so it's not surprising that it can happen in the USA.

The only real stumbling block to a liberals/fascist takeover is the Constitution, and we can see how they are working hard to get around that.

 

"Let's ignore the massacre in Japan and TALK ABOUT RUSSIA!"

Fuсk no. Stop hiding behind Russia, Soviet Union, Stalin, Lenin, Trotsky, and whatever else you are trying to bring in. I point at issue, existing issue, of massacre being excused as something justified.

That is not healthy to be in such denial.

 

I've said before, unfortunate, true, brought about a quick end to the war! Probably wasn't meant to destroy the entire population of Japs, unlike Stalin's holodomor was engineered to destroy all ukranians.

 

You know the difference? What was Stalin doing inside USSR was only concerned with ourselves, it was our internal matter, while what was doing US it was concerning evryone, as it was done outside of the US. The bombs were dropped not to stop the war with Japan, as they destroyed not military objects, but to demonstrate Stalin the weapons that US had at the time. Moreover, the time you refer to was a hardship time not only for ukranians, but for all people on the territory of Soviet Union. Kolkhozu were not only in Ukraine, but also in Kuban, in Siberia, Moscow region...

 

""Let's ignore the massacre in Japan and TALK ABOUT RUSSIA!"" have you payed to Belarusian and Ukrainian people for your crime against humanity - Chernobyl ? like Americans DID? OR am i missing something?

 

First of all, not ours - soviet. Second - in soviet times ALL suffered from repressions, not people outside of Federaion exclusively. Nobody paid MY family, or families of any people I know. Third - Chernobyl, officially, is an accident, a disaster in liquidation of which many citizens of Union have died. Fourth - I do not recall seeing USA sending people, workers, to rebuild what american army destroyed. And how many did they paid to Japan? Did they gave Japan apologies for the massacre?

And most important...

STOP. HIDING. BEHIND. SOVIET UNION.

I do not give a flying fuсk right now about what Union did, it matters what USA did NOT. Mistakes of others don't excuse their mistakes.

 

Strange logic, Liwin. You post the nice pictures of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and say- hey, look what Americans did with these cities.
I answer to you- you are wrong- these cities became as it is because of Japanese people, americans only destroyed it. And then you post a video from the middle of Russia how the people live in the villages. So what is the connection between these villages and what we are talking about?

 

Without Stalin Russia would have been too backward to amount any resistance against the natzi. Most Russians recognize that and view it as a sacrifice needed to transform Russian from a peasant society into an industrial superpower over the course of a mere 20 years.

And so Russian survived even while facing off against 80% of all german forces while the combined might of the allies only faced 20%.

 

For reference, see my threads:

The U.S. War on Democracy (Incomplete)

U.S. Terrorist Wars in Central America (Incomplete)

Kill Anything That Moves: The Real American War in Vietnam

My edits in Wikipedia:

Guatemala Civil War

• 10.1 United States Involvement
  • 10.1.1 Support for Army Intelligence

Contras

2 U.S. military and financial assistance

• 2.1 Political background
• 2.2 Low-intensity conflict
• 2.3 Illegal covert operations

Battalion 3-16 (Honduras)

• 1.2 Links with the United States

Atlacatl Battalion - Wikipedia

 

But Russia still isn't an "industrial superpower", not even close.
At this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal) Wikei provides a list ranking countries by GDP according to the IMF, World Bank and United Nations, Russia comes in twelfth or thirteenth, not bad until you take into account Russia is a huge country with tremendous resources and a huge population, it should be doing much better than little Italy (ranked 8th).

 

This GDP is some not very clear parameter. For example, you can see that India is on the 7th place. Does it mean that it is more industrialized than Russia or Switzerland? Clearly not.

 

Like I said before to which you both scoffed:

The body counts from both superpower's respective spheres of influence:

All in the name of "Democracy," of course.