Oxford study: millions may have already built up coronavirus immunity

Our friend appeared to be suggesting that Italy was the reason for the death rate. At this point, pretty much all of Europe, the UK, and the US combined are the reason for the death rate.

 

Well add a thousand a day to that...because that's where we are

 

Generations? If anyone believes that still supports this shutdown they are fools. Who in their right minds would destroy the economy for generations to save such a small number of possible deaths. Pure emotional insanity.

Luckily it wont take generations to recover, but I get it as it's the typical liberal doom and gloom view they apply it to everything in life.

This entire thing was over hyped (not just here but across the world) by a reactionary generation that is afraid to face tough real life decisions. Ironically it will the same ones that cry the loudest during the economic fallout afterwards.

 

Billions of people, maybe more devastated so how many would live? We will never know the second part, the first we will all have a first row seat to see soon.

 

I live in a very large county in square miles. We have had three reported cases. Although we have called off large gatherings should we go bonkers about it say like New York?

 

How is the business loan going?

 

Of course. All worldwide crises impact for at least a generation afterwards. Every war, every famine, every pestilence .. etc. And I'm 1000% for full and complete shut down. We can see in real time how well it works (Asia, Australia, New Zealand, etc), and sadly ... America, the UK and Europe are finding out what happens when you refuse to do it.

There's a cultural problem over there in the West, and in this we're probably in agreement. It's likely a result of too much 'liberalism' - IOW pussyfooting around the feelings and 'freedoms' of spoiled First Worlders. Also like you, I'm not doom and gloom about this, because we're winning the battle here. We know shut down works. As a result of going hard early, our economy will bounce back faster, and be impacted less.

Meantime, try telling the average New Yorker that it's overhyped. Or the Northern Italian, or the German, or the Brit.

 

Nothing yet. Talked to a bank. They haven't gotten back to us yet

 

Millions is no small number and THAT would wreck an economy as well

 

Millions were never going to die.

And even in the worst case let's just say they did scenario, it's not worth crushing the economy for generations as they would lead to many times the number of deaths. The economics fallout for this shutdown will kill more than the virus.

Famine
War
Extreme Poverty

Inbound for the 3rd world. The death toll will most likely be staggering compared to C19.

 

It is over hyped, find me one and I'll tell them.

No 100% shut down, not needed and way more harmful than the virus long term. It's the greater of 2 evils, I'd much rather take controlled measures to protect those most vulanable to C19 than shut the world. The benefits we are seeing now will not offset what comes next. We will never know what woudl have occurred had we reacted more tactical than "shut it all down" so it's all conjecture for both sides on that now.

 

According to the White House...millions would die if we don't self isolate or if we go back to work too soon...

THAT would destroy the economy so...

 

https://www.euromomo.eu

Are european death rates out of line with previous years? It appears they are not, maybe even slightly better

 

Based on the now debunked and revised IWC model. Who revised it downward dramatically ? The IWC did.

We could have selected who we protected based on risk factors.

Millions were never going to die.

 

Maybe you can find a job with Trump when he fires his doctors.

But spoiler alert:
Somewhere between 50 and 129 million non elderly Americans have preexisting conditions. Throw in the old folks and what do you have?
A shut down.

https://www.cms.gov/CCIIO/Resources/Forms-Reports-and-Other-Resources/preexisting

 

Maybe they can go back to work to pay for their own SS checks

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/07/health/ihme-updated-covid19-model/index.html

Lower, as in less.....you and yours are more incorrect with you doomy gloomy predictions everyday.

Already posted that we can shelter those most at risk without shutting down the country. It’s not that difficult to understand that.

 

IWC model. It was wrong from day one and lowered by the IWC.

Cool how you used “millions” to try and make it sound even more doomy.

Too end worst case was 2.2 million. But that was lowered by the very people who issued it soon after. So it was never going to be “millions”. They also lowered their estimates for the UK as well son after issuing them.

The total shut down was over reaction. We are going to see the effect of it, maybe then you will see the truth. But I doubt it.

 

Math challenged?
129 million younger people with preexisting conditions in addition to 50 million over 65.
"protect" them and you have shut down the country.

 

I’m not challenged. I’m just a realist who understands the price paid for your desired lock down will be far more harmful than the virus would have been had we not. The inflated estimates of death were silly from day one.

Fear, doom and gloom. The stuff of cowards and pessimistic people. No thanks.

 

There are still people who believe covid is over hyped?? There is no understating the fact that some people flat out refuse to see anything that goes against their political bents. It's sad really.

 

And in other news: Japan declares state of emergency: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-declares-state-of-emergency-over-coronavirus

Quick, eistein, call up the Japanese PM and let him know he's over reacting!

 

I forgot the 72 million under 18.

 

You don't understand anything. What we are doing now is the most prudent course of action.

 

No it’s not. It’s over reaction 101.

We could have sheltered the most at risk and let the nation run.

They choose the greater of two evils. They did so because it was the easy decision, but it was not the right one.