Pennsylvania golf club apologized after calling police on black women members for playing too slow

I wonder who is telling the truth:
The group continued playing, skipping the third hole to continue their pace. When they reached the fourth hole, they had to wait because the group in front of them had not teed off yet, Thompson said.

If they did complete the first nine holes (skipping one) in one hour 45 , then it seems like the group is telling the truth

 

Good for your daughter now lets stop ignoring reality. Again I highly doubt the police were called because the women were playing too slow. I can well imagine there was more to it and are reminded of incidents routinely posted online of incidents in restaraunts and stores involving blacks getting beligerent and yes even violent for some preceived wrong.

 

If they were asked to leave the course and refused..........

 

And if the women refused to comply with the rules and leave.......

 

I think that kind of supports my point. It seems the quote from the golfer herself only said they felt discriminated against but didn’t specify on what basis. It seems some journalists have presumed it was race and others have presumed it was race and gender. Regardless, the problem is the “presumed”, especially the implied presumed guilt, that if the staff did do what it is claimed they did, their motive must have been racism and/or sexism.

 

So they had to skip a hole to maintain pace. Sounds like the day started off backed up with the hour delay for frost and they were trying to keep things moving.

 

If you mean whites who are not guilt-ridden liberals we know our history

But draw different conclusions than libs do

Black people were mistreated but that was a long time ago

 

Skipping a hole is something reasonable people do so it appears more and more likely that the club is at fault here whether it's racial motives or sexism. The club was purchased a year ago and perhaps the new owners did not want certain people to belong to their club

 

It isn't really a question of whether they refused to comply with the rules. Let's say for a moment that they were playing slowly.

The question is whether the club had a right to ask them to leave the premises for slow play. I would find that kind of a rule surprising. Not impossible, but surprising.

The real question is whether the owner followed the rules. The fact that the club has now apologised to them suggests that the owner was in the wrong.

 

Yes that is the question, I am sure the course did not call the police and ask them to ask the women to speed up play. The real question is did the women abide the the request to speed up play or did they present a situation of refusal to comply and refusal to vacate the premises. And I believe the course has walked back the apology.

 

No it is what players do if they are holding up play behind them and need to catch up.

 

The women —

Sandra Thompson, 50 is a local York full-time attorney, She is also a former candidate for York County judge and is president of the York NAACP.

Myneca Ojo, 56 decades long club member and past President of the Sisters of the Fairway.

Sandra Harrison, 59, member Sisters of the Fairway

Carolyn Dow, 56 member Sisters of the Fairway

Karen Crosby, 58 decades long member of Sisters of the Fairway.

I cannot find the professions for the remaining four but theses aren't shrinking violets. They've been members of the golf club for decades and even have their own club. "Sisters of the Fairway". They are a fixture at this course.

I see something personal woven in here. The cource 'owner's' son, whom initially confronted the women, is a York County Commissioner.

This didn't happen out of the blue, there's history here and it's based in local politics and probably not race or gender.

 

Again my father was born a decade before the passage of the civil rights act of 1964. It wasnt that long ago. We aren't talking ancient times. My dad isn't a fossil. He's got all his hair, his teeth, he's still got a job. If we're talking Avatar movies, sure that was a long time ago. If were talking about the ability of a people to adequately recover from the devastating effects from centuries of slavery and mistreatment then no. And in all seriousness I'm not just talking about blacks. Martin Luther King jr. once said that he didnt just march to liberate black people but he marched to liberate racists from the hate in their hearts. The mistreatment of blacks had a negative effect on those who perpetuated it as well. It fostered ignorance of the reality that blacks were not inferior to their white brothers and sisters and promoted a rejection of education, science and media that pushed back against this false narrative and that rejection of reality persists to this day.

You don't know history and some of you don't know basic science or general facts of life and at this point it's going to hurt you and your children more than me and mine.

 

They skipped a hole so what is your problem? They then had to wait at the fourth hole for others to finish and they completed the first half in less than the maximum time allowed. Judging by your posts in this thread you seem to have a problem with blacks

 

Could be.... I read the local article you posted above, which covers a lot more detail.... Frankly, these women don't sound like a bunch of beginners who wouldn't know to keep up the pace of play. The local article certainly doesn't make the owners case sound any better.

I'm not saying it was sexism or racism or womengolferism or whatever, but it does sound like these women got the short end of the 8 iron here... for whatever reasons...

Heck, I'm pretty sure I couldn't do a 1:45 8/9 holes with any 4 of my friends...

 

I think there's more to the story here. One of the ladies playing that day was Sandra Thompson, an attorney who has run for judge and is president of the York NAACP. Sandra was confronted by Steve Chronicler a former York County Commissioner.





I find it hard to believe that these two didn't know each other personally.

 

The "Sisters of the Fairway" is a golfing club that golfs on courses all over the world. They know the rules. If you watch the video they seem extremely knowledgeable.

Btw, the county commissioner was the father. The son was the one acting like a fool. Everyone there from the course was trying to calm him down and yet he kept coming back to cause a confrontation.

 

No it didn't did it. This wasn't about golf, it was something personal between the former York Commissioner and the past candidate for York County Judge, current attorney and current president of the NAACP.

I don't know what the issue was but I'm willing to bet it wasn't about gender or race but some past political blood. I find the omission, in the national reporting and with the testimony of two of the women, of the obvious fact that these two verbal combatants were on a first name basis.

This wasn't about getting the black bitches off the course, it was about getting that Sandra Thompson bitch off the course! It wasn't "let's report a racial episode", it was let's get that cracker bitch Steve Chronister!

I don't know who started this but it wasn't about race, on that I've a good feeling. Too much narrative shaping.

 

Again my father was born a decade before the passage of the civil rights act of 1964. It wasnt that long ago. We're not talking ancient times here. If you're talking Avatar movies then sure, that was a long time ago. When you're talking about a people healing from centuries of slavery and mistreatment it's no time at all. And I'm not just talking black people here. Martin Luther King jr. once said he didnt just march to liberate black people but to liberate racists from the hate in their hearts. But it's not just hate which is detrimental in itself but also ignorance. To hold on to the erroneous notion that blacks are inferior to their white brothers and sisters, whites, southern racists divorced themselves from information and institutions that refused to conform to this ignorant reality and that continues to this day.

You don't know history. And some of you continue to close yourselves off to information and ultimately the world at large and this is ultimately going to hurt you and yours more than me and mine.

 

As I said, could be.... although their history of mutual dislike could still be based on race, but there's no current indication of that.

If there is anything we can learn from Donald Trump (and I'm not sure there is), it's LEAVE POLITICS OFF THE GOLF COURSE!!! Take it up elsewhere, people...

 

I do know history

But living in the past with anger over events in 1950 is not helping blacks or whites roday

 

Neither is ignoring its lasting effects. Anyway progress moves on without you.

 

I think you are missing the point. They were members. They had a RIGHT to be there. Did the club co-owner have any right to ask them to leave?

The question is whether the club had rules in place that would allow the club to expel them from the premises. If not, any request that they leave the premises had no legal basis.

Frankly it is astonishing that any golf club would try to eject players from the club for slow play. Ask them to speed up, yes. Ask them to let others play through, yes. Even - eventually - ask them to stop playing and return to the clubhouse. I would expect that an infraction of club rules, or ignoring a request to follow club rules, would amount to a conduct violation that could lead to an internal disciplinary proceeding within the club.

I would be extremely surprised if the club rules permitted the owner to expel club members from their own club for slow play.

 

Every time you ask I agree that blacks were mistreated under Jim Crow

What more do you want?

 

I don't want anything from you. I disagree with you that the mistreatment of blacks ended a long time ago or even with the end to Jim crow.