Pro choice people eventually become pro life

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  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    ...and a big "So what?"
     
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    Josephwalker Well-Known Member

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    So the previous poster that indicated women are predominantly pro choice was mistaken.

     
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    I would tend to believe her rather than one of your biased "sites".

    ...and it doesn't matter anyway...rights are rights no matter who believes in them....female or male, makes no difference.
     
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    Why would laws in question stop women from getting healthcare or having babies in a hospital? That makes no sense.
     
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    The Hill is left of center and the article was on a Democrat pollster.
     
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    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    You should read the entire post:

    ...and it doesn't matter anyway...rights are rights no matter who believes in them....female or male, makes no difference.
     
  7. Josephwalker

    Josephwalker Well-Known Member

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    Tell that to Renee. She seemed to think it did.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Donor

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    So when these 2 single cells get together, people have many opinions on what to call it. Your opinion has no place in her uterus. I am anti abortion and pro choice. Its not that difficult to understand.

    The government that denies ones right to make their own decision when it comes to their body does not represent society. My personal position is that abortion is wrong.

    Please quote where reps blame children. Thanks!
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I never claimed my opinion did have a place in her uterus so as usual - lacking the ability to defend your claim - you build a strawman.

    Then you claim that one person's opinion has no place affecting individual liberty of another (good you absorbed some of my teachings) - but then - in other threads you contradict your claim by wanting the individual liberty of a man to be affected by the unilateral decision of another.

    It is not hypocrisy to be anti-abortion and pro choice. One is a moral argument and the other a legal.

    What is hypocrisy is that which is outlined above.
     
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    At some point during pregnancy it's not your body, it's another human being
     
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    As did YOU ! ...and it doesn't matter anyway...rights are rights no matter who believes in them....female or male, makes no difference.
     
  12. Maquiscat

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    I think you are running on a basic misconception on what most pro choice hold to. To the simple fact that it is the body of the woman and she gets to choose what is in it and when it needs to leave, with the only exception being that she can't deny her own body's birth efforts to keep it in. The opinion on when the ZEF transitions into a being is irrelevant to that position. For that matter life is irrelevant to the position. The biological functions of life are separate from those factors that bring about personhood.
     
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    OK, then women have all the more right to have it taken out! Afterall, according to you, it isn't HERS :) Why TF should she sustain someone else's life, NO one else has to do that :)

    Sarcasm alert for righties....How DARE that woman IMPRISON another PERSON in her body!! That's KIDNAPPING! False imprisonment!! How dare she take away that "person's" right to move freely through society!!!
     
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    I merely corrected renee's claim that women were mostly pro choice and I agree with you that gender makes no difference in the abortion debate. Many pro choice people seem to think womens opinion on the subject is more important.
     
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    Taken out? Oh you mean killed. I disagree as does at least 80% of America
     
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    So you are in the 13%-20% that thinks aborting a baby the day before birth should be allowed. Whatever.
     
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    I am not defending a claim. My position was simple enough for any reasonable person to understand. I'm not sure why you find it necessary to parade your arrogance. I am glad you brought up that other thread where you refused to answer a simple question. I will be happy to meet you there if you are able to come up with an answer.
     
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    I still don't understand why it would be so hard to wait with sex until you are in a loving and stable relationship with someone you would not mind having a child with.
     
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    Life actually begins with spermatozoa and an egg.

    If they 2 shall meet, a change in those life form occurs.

    Humans[edit]
    The human sperm cell is the reproductive cell in males and will only survive in warm environments; once it leaves the male body the sperm's survival likelihood is reduced and it may die, thereby decreasing the total sperm quality.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spermatozoon

    The egg cell, or ovum (plural ova), is the female reproductive cell (gamete) in oogamous organisms. The egg cell is typically not capable of active movement, and it is much larger (visible to the naked eye) than the motile sperm cells. When egg and sperm fuse, a diploid cell (the zygote) is formed, which rapidly grows into a new organism.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egg_cell

    So if one wants to really know when life begins, it begins before fertilization takes place. Else there'd be no fertilizing.
     
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    Untrue. Soil is not a flower. The seed is not a flower. Water is not a flower.
     
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    Your angst is showing....

    Out of curiosity, based on your post, how can they be 'likely raped by guards' in they are in 'cages'? Would you prefer they were left to wander thither and yon, and be readily accessible for violent crimes?

    The extent some try for on the emotions, really is sad.
     
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    Again, you seem to be operating on a major conceptual error here. I am personally 100% against abortion save in the case of health issues and rape. But I still hold that it is the bearer of the ZEF who holds the choice as to whether or not the ZEF stays in their body, based upon bodily autonomy. A person's individual belief on when abortion is alright or not does not automatically reflect on when they feel the woman no longer holds a choice.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    HEY! Any Pro-"lifers" in here who love what is happening to that "precious life" in the border states????

    Death , disease, more than likely raped by guards, kept in cages, with no basic ammenities…….


    Are you going to blame Obama or raise a stink about what is happening NOW under Trump's administration to those children.....(who Repubs label "criminals" but call them "precious life" when discussing abortion)



    Your lack of it is.


    OMGAWD just OHMGAWD....you think the only way to supervise and care for children is to put them in cages!!!! Oh, I hope you don't have kids!!!


    And DUH, WHO has keys(access) to these children? Just the tooth fairy?

    It is the height of "naivete" to think imprisoned children with NO outside oversight are not sexually abused..





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    The extent that people will ignore the suffering of children is sad...and a lot of other things I'm not allowed to say here...
     
  24. Maquiscat

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    Last I checked it is legal. Not necessarily widely available as there is an extremely limited number of doctors certified for such a late term procedure, as in single digits. Now, logistically speaking, there does come a point where it is easier on the woman to simply birth the child rather, induced or C-section, than any other procedure. Furthermore, for all her right to an abortion, a doctor qualified for the procedure can choose to not perform it if he feels there are issues he doesn't want to deal with.

    As another point of record that you might want to consider. The removal of the ZEF for any reason other than live birth is considered a medical abortion (natural abortion being the proper term for miscarriage), which includes the ZEF already being dead in the womb. All such procedures are recorded along side the abortions in which a ZEF is terminated.
     
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    That is not what was said. He maintains it as the woman's choice, even up to the time of birth. He is noting that the vast majority of women do not make that choice, which he is fine with.
     
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