Prove to me how Islam is not the most violent religion

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  1. RiaRaeb

    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes we have shown the most violent religious text is the Holy Bible, most deaths by adherents to that religion, Christians, we have not looked at most deaths per adherent, Judaism might be up for that award, but I still think Shinto is in with a fighting chance.
     
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    yasureoktoo Banned

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    Actually none of that is correct..
    If you took the bible, both Jewish and Christian parts, added the Talmud to it, it would still be only several pages of violence.
    Islam has "volumes" of violence. not pages, but "volumes".
    The entire storyline of the religion is written around violence, sex, and thievery.
    Read the Sirrat Rasual Allah, Islam's first documentation, and the only biography of Muhammed written within 200 years of his lifetime.
    In 80% of the writings, Muhammed is robbing, raping, or killing someone.
    You cannot compare them.

    also Islam's rate of killing is at 270 million, nobody else even comes close.
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The grisly & murderous precepts of the Talmud pre-date the Roman era by centuries and are even more relevant now that Netanyahu has formed an alliance with the party of the late Meir Kahane, an avid Talmudist.

    No one who raves about the evils of Islam as much as you do has ever been able to explain to me how I could have spent 10 - 11 months in the Islamic world and been treated so kindly by people who allegedly hate me, an obvious American Christian.

    Please bear in mind that I was walking & hitch hiking by myself and entirely at the mercy of people you claim want to kill all infidels.
    Why didn't those barbaric, angry and hate filled Muslims kill me, spit at me(1), throw rocks at me etc.



    (1) "Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them "
    https://www.haaretz.com/1.4715226



     
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    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Unfortunately as usual it is just your imagination without any source for the silly numbers you quote, whereas I and others have already provided source for the genuine claims.
     
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    yasureoktoo Banned

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    Lets keep your imagination out of this and stick with facts.
    When was the Talmud written?
    The Talmud is not a book that was written, but a compilation of sources compiled from two main sources over the period of 300 years. The first source is the Mishnah, the oral law, that was written down in the 2nd century CE.
     
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    Dude, this is the same bullshit.
    You keep repeating the same stuff that is irrelevant,
    This is opinion, but I won't argue it.
    so what, if the bible is more violent than the Qur'an, that is not the issue.
    The issue is the religion.

    The teachings and deeds of Muhammed, far exceed anything the bible can hold.

    Did you ever hear of Muhammed, the main person in the Islamic religion.
     
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    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The thing about facts is you just have to keep repeating them when other's deny them without any evidence, so I keep rolling out the same old facts which you have no rebuttal for when you makes silly claims without evidence.
     
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    LOLOL
    I told you the books.
    One of them you can download.
    But you are better off going to an Islamic bookstore.
    Islam does not want Muhammeds biography online.
    And I am not going to post an entire book.

    Here is a list of killings ordered or supported by Muhammed

    https://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Killings_Ordered_or_Supported_by_Muhammad.

    each one has the book and verse listed so you can look them up.

    I don't usually use wiki for Muslim, or any religion stuff, because it is write in, and to controversial,
    but as I said, it has the book and verse number listed.
    so you can look them up.

    Just these will exceed all of Christianity and Judism in violence,
    some are pages long, and graphic about tortures.
    but it is only the tip of the iceberg.
    Next I will post the raids he went on, or ordered.
    and as always, book and verse number.
     
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    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Mohamed went on raids since 1900, who knew! So what is it you are trying to show, use criteria as I have done and quantify it, not just a wish list of nasty muslim tales!
     
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    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Pity that the thread is about the last 120 years! But even then all you have is a nasty Muslim tale, what criteria are you using to define Islam as most violent?
     
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    and he had their hands and feet cut off. Then he ordered for nails which were heated and passed over their eyes, and whey were left in the Harra (i.e. rocky land in Medina). They asked for water, and nobody provided them with water till they died (Abu Qilaba, a sub-narrator said, "They committed murder and theft and fought against Allah and His Apostle, and spread evil in the land.")
    Sahih Bukhari 4:52:261


    I could post these all day,

    Actually I could post them for weeks.
     
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    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No I was specific about my claims! Yet again you are just wrong. Instead of posting the criteria you simply LOL and insult again.
     
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    Zyad tied her legs with rope and then tied her between two camels until they split her in two. She was a very old woman. Then they brought Umm’s daughter and Abdallah to the Messenger. Umm’s daughter belonged to Salamah who had captured her. Muhammad asked Salamah for her, and Salamah gave her


    How about this.

    They split a woman in half, and then Muhammed took her daughter for a wife.

    Sounds perfectly normal to me...HUH.
     
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    Well look at you.
    I posted where you can get the information straight from Islamic text.
     
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    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    To what purpose, what are your criteria?
    Oh found this on that 270 million claim you made!


    Why isn't it a shrine dedicated to the victims of 9/11 or the 270 million victims of over a millennium of jihadi wars, land appropriations, cultural annihilations and enslavements?

    The woman behind these words, who I have no interest in naming (I don't want to give her any more attention than she already has), used to be a regular on Fox News, but has lost even that perch. Her extremism was too extreme. (Indeed, one of the best ways to fight Islamophobia is to give the bigots a microphone and let them keep talking. Their disturbing rhetoric will soon unsettle the overwhelming majority of people, who recoil from such extremism.)

    https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/01/2013127211920494.html

    Has some interesting points on Islamaphobes.
     
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    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Information that is relevant to what claim?
    What are the criteria for that claim?
    Bedtime horror stories do not evidence make!
     
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    Nobody is going to make shrines on that.

    Few westerners even knew what Islam was all about until just recently, and there are more every day.

    Islam is hiding what they can, lying about what they can get away with.
    But more and more westerners are learning.

    Even the countries and churches are trying to hide what is really going on, to avoid the inevitable.
     
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    LOLOL again.

    I didn't write the religion.
    all I can do is point you to the religious books.

    Book and verse number.
     
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    LOL really is not a rebuttal, again you fail to provide any criteria other than you are scared of Muslims stories.
     
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    Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun the Muslims are coming!
     
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    Hey, did you know that they captured a bunch of women, for slave trade,
    and Muhammeds men asked Muhammed if they could bang them, and promised Coitus interruptus.

    Do you know what Muhammed said
     
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    LOL. You are the one who picked out one verse and I displayed how ignorant you are by showing you the previous verse and you have been burnt again. Anyway, you bore me.
     
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    Where did you already answer how it would be any different in the case of a non-Muslim?

    Are you saying that two TRASH newspapers and The Times are representative of the British media at large? Surely you can't be serious!

    No I didn't hear about this. Why not? Probably because I don't live in the UK and also the police didn't cover it up meaning that it wasn't a big enough story to be covered worldwide. This story and the DISGRACEFUL, DISGUSTING Rotherham child rape police cover up scandal are apples and oranges and cannot be equated! Anyway, I'm interested to hear what point you are trying to make if you decide that you are capable of continuing to engage with me, as challenging as it may be.
     
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    Proof is an inference. Truth is an implication.

    Proof is in the eye of the beholder.
     
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    Yes, I know that the Talmud, like most all holy books, were originally transmitted orally long before they were written.

    Keeping your own imagination out of this, the Quran is not the world's most violent religion.

    In fact, the Old Testament, alone, contains more violence than the entire Quran.



    "'Violence more common' in Bible than Quran, text analysis reveals"
    https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-...han-quran-text-analysis-reveals-a6863381.html

    EXCERPT "An analysis into whether the Quran is more violent than the Bible found killing and destruction occur more frequently in the Christian texts than the Islamic.

    Investigating whether the Quran really is more violent than its Judeo-Christian counterparts, software engineer Tom Anderson processed the text of the Holy books to find which contained the most violence.

    Further analysis found the Old Testament was more violent than the New Testament, and more than twice as violent as the Quran."CONTINUED
     

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