Public Funding for Abortion

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  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    Not quite sure what you mean....but if the fetus was deemed a "person" it would have rights but also the same restrictions we all have....something Anti-Choicers don't think about..
     
  2. FoxHastings

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    I just saw the BIG cuts that Trumpers are making to social programs aimed at poor CHILDREN...








    ..BIG cuts to funding food and health care, (WIC and SNAP, etc.).. for those "precious lives" that they LIE about caring for..














    ..again proving that Anti-Choicers do NOT care about actual children but need an anti- abortion agenda to control women ,
     
  3. FoxHastings

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    :) Tell that to your precious "fetus" :) :)


    You'll be sooooooo happy , Trump wants to cut funding to WIC and SNAP and other programs to help actual CHILDREN....oooooohhhhhh think of the money you'll be saving as their lives get harder...are you celebrating yet???


    I see again, that once they're born and can't be used as a way to control women, children just don't mean much to the Anti-Choicers :)
     
  4. Bluesguy

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    Well if we do as the pro-abortion side wants and pay for more babies to be killed then there won't be as many babies who need such programs so why can't that spending be cut?
     
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    Oh, I'm sorry you have no idea what abortion entails but knowledgeable people know that no babies are involved in abortions but some people have to use that word to be more dramatic even if it is inaccurate.

    Now to your asinine point: Anti-Choicer/Repubs keep making abortion harder to get so they WANT MORE babies to suffer from the funding cuts....gross, cruel, hypocritical and stupid aren't they ? :)
     
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  6. Bluesguy

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    I know far more than your are willing to admit abortions and even back up my claims which you do not.

    Nope they do as I have cited to you previously from both medical and government sources and you could not refute.

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    I can go on forever...........



    Even the dictionary

    n. pl. ba·bies
    1.
    a.
    A very young child; an infant.
    b. An unborn child; a fetus.

    Nothing asinine about it especially compared to your asinine assertion those who oppose killing babies hate women.
     
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    Why do abortion rights supporters seem to have such a fanatical emotional investment in it?

    Anti abortion rights people having a fanatical emotional investment is more than understandable. They (we) consider a moral abomination, the same as infanticide and other forms of murder.

    But it makes no sense for abortion rights supporters to be so invested in a "right" that won't be exercised by the overwhelming majority of women in this country. Ever.
     
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    We have two competing issues. Should the government favor the liberty of the woman in deciding her own fate or favor the fetus? For legal purposes a line has to be drawn in the sand somewhere and we should make it as black and white as possible (extenuating circumstances aside). A line could naturally be drawn at in-the-womb and out-of-womb. If it's in-the-womb then preferential protection should be given to the woman. If it's out-of-womb then preferential protection should be given to the baby. Again for legal purposes only. That's my position. I'm not going to tell anyone else how they should perceive the morality of it. I'd be willing bet that your view of morality and mine aren't all that different though.
     
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    One day, in the not too distant future, the abortion debate is going to take an entirely different turn.

    For the worse in regards to abortion rights supporters.

    Eventually technology will enable a fetus at a very young state of development to be safely (for the mother and baby) to be removed from the womb and brought to term in an artificial womb.

    When that occurs the abortion debate will be over. Because women will be able to "end" their pregnancy without any harm coming to them or the baby.

    And from that point forward, American (and other nations) culture and society will be stunned and appalled at the enormity of Americans of the 20th and 21st centuries condoning the wholesale destruction of human life all in the name of a "right" (never mentioned in the U.S. constitution).
    They will feel the same disgust and revulsion people feel about slavery and other horrible abuses that were once also condoned by American culture and society.

    Abortion rights is on the wrong side of history and technology.
     
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    How about we draw the line that if one life is placing the other life in imminent danger of death or serious bodily harm the one in that danger gets the preferential treat as that seems to be more inline with our laws.
     
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    I have no problem with a woman deciding her own fate excluding late term abortion. What I do have a problem with is women asking the tax payers to pay for their elective decision.
     
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    Killing babies is never morally correct. Therefore using the peoples' money would be an even further crime against humanity.
     
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    Except only those who know nothing about abortion refer to a fetus as a "baby"...no "babies are killed in abortion as no teenagers are no 20 somethings, no buns, no watermelons....nope just a fetus...


    .and as been said a million times abortion is not funded by taxpayers money.....but be happy wars still are and they actually DO kill babies!
     
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    As has been said a million times taxpayers, because if the Hyde Act, do not pay for abortions and if you wanted to educate yourself you could've just googled it instead of repeating the trite ill-informed whining.

    However, since abortion is a LEGAL medical procedure it should be treated , tax-wise, as any other medical procedure.
     
  15. FoxHastings

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    As you have been shown many times before, those are examples of "common usage"...they have no legal or scientific standing. :)

    And no, if a woman says she has a bun in the oven she will not give birth to a dinner roll.....I didn't know if you knew that or not....


    And it's a lie that I asserted that that those who oppose killing babies hate women.

    I never asserted anything about killing babies....



    Those who want to take away women's right to choose hate women...
     
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    Police are a function of Opportunity Costs.

    In order for any property you own to be of any future value, your property must have security. You can hire an unarmed security guard at minimum wage to provide security 168 hours per week....$63,336 annually. And then you can hire your own EMT service and buy fire trucks and hire a crew to protect your property. That would probably cost you more than your home is worth.

    Now, you can pay that, or you can pay property taxes.

    It's a matter of Opportunity Costs.
     
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    Not when the consequences of one's actions are foreknown. You have a duty to retreat in many States.

    What is the Politically Correct term?
     
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    What makes you claim that? (though you aren't the first nor likely the last to make this monumentally stupid claim).
     
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    Medical procedures are tax deductible so what does that have to do with anything. After you pay for the procedure you can knock it off your income tax, so what?
     
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    :rolleyes:
     
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    That is a liberal point of view toward abortion.
     
  22. FoxHastings

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    By law, not by your opinion, consent to one act is NOT consent to any other act.


    No one goes on an "abortion spree" ...it's not possible.....that's one of those things Anti-Choicer drama QUEENS make up because they have to be dramatic since they have no facts...
     
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    Fox: ""Those who want to take away women's right to choose hate women..."""



    So if someone came to take away YOUR rights would you think they LIKED you?!?!?!!! What! Really!!

    Yes, you could smile and say, ""I loves ma wimmens, drool "" as you take away their rights but they know you don't....

    "monumentally stupid claim" would cover your statement about how civilians in war , including children and fetuses inside pregnant women and pregnant women, are never innocent so it's OK to kill them......
     
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    So if someone came to take away YOUR rights would you think they LIKED you?!?!?!!! What! Really!!

    Yes, you could smile and say, ""I loves ma wimmens, drool "" as you take away their rights but they know you don't....
     
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    Depends on their reasons. Say if I was a slave owner and they came to liberate my slaves, I wouldn't infer that they hated me or wanted to control me.
     

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