Putin brags Russia's new hypersonic missiles 'can wipe out US cities' sparking WW3 fears

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  1. The Last American

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    The fraud of socialism is that Marx and Lenin both dreamed it up as a way to FOOL poor serfs into supporting it, but it was always Marx and Lenin's masquerade to impose communism on them. And Stalin was Lenin's best student.

    It is amazing what a person can learn by reading rather than developing their political philosophies based on irrational emotions, envy and hate.
     
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    "Communism is socialism with a gun".... Winston Churchill
     
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    Not by your definition its not .. you said the collective pot was not socialism .. so what is paid for out of that pot is not socialism .. you have no clue what you are talking about .. chasing tail around in circles without realizing it.

    Go look at your definition .. Socialism owns all means of production .. we don't have that here .. so not socialism by your definition.

    I am the one saying it is socialism ..
     
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    I never mentioned anything about a pot. Perhaps you should lay off it.
     
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    Congratulations Governor Youngkin! Congratulations Virginia parents! Congratulations conservatives and Republicans! Good for you Virginia!!! Welcome back!
    Bye Bye Biden!... Biden Bye Bye!
     
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    I realize you did not know that the redistribution of the collective pot was socialism .. did you feel a bit high on the realization that you are actually a raging Socialist ? ... curious.
     
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    I'm as far from a socialist as it gets. I have earned every dime I ever had.
     
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    So have most other Socialists - unless you wish to change your definition of Socialism to " only the unemployed bums" but by your other definition the Unemployed bums are not socialists...

    So given your definition of "Socialist" is in raging contradiction with itself .. I have no idea what you mean by "far form socialist as it gets" .. I have it on good word .. you spend much of your life sucking of the Gov't tit... is this true ?
     
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    So what? A bunch of sinners called someone a saint - so what? He became a saint from this? Do you want me to acknowledge you as someone a saint? This will be the same result.
    The Russian Orthodox Church, having tax breaks in the 90s, traded in vodka, cigarettes and condoms. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Табачный_скандал
    And these people recognize someone as a saint. This is just laughter and a mockery of common sense.
    And, if you are a real believer, then you should know that only a limited circle of persons have the rank of a saint. For example -
    John the Baptist is a saint because the Lord chose him for a special ministry - to be the forerunner before the first coming of Christ to earth.
    The Virgin Mary is holy because she was chosen by the Lord for a special mission - to be the mother of Jesus Christ - God in the flesh.
    The apostles - disciples of Christ - are saints, because they were chosen by the Lord for a special service - to spread the Good News about Jesus Christ in the world.
    Everything.
    All the rest, supposedly, are saints - this is ridicule and heresy. So turn on your head and don't write nonsense.
     
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    Ahahaha .... Maybe you can show at least one argument? Or is it too difficult for you? :roflol::roflol::roflol:
    However, I did not take into account the fact that you are a military man. And therefore, asking you for an argument does not make sense. Is not it?
     
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    Guy, did you read ever Marx or Lenin? Why are Americans so ignorant? You have written the complete nonsense.

    P.S. Is Jen Psaki your idol?
     
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    HA - I've read a great deal about Marx, Lenin and Stalin, to better understand liberal progressives. Maybe you should crack-open The Gulag Archipelago if you have the attention span for it.
     
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    Every Saint suffered calumny in their lives because people with evil minds can only think evil of others. This is why their lives are examined carefully and why miracles are needed after their death.

    1 - You said Saint Nicholas shot dogs, and yet it was necessary because dog packs can be vicious and do attack people, and also because of rabies. My neighbor at our summer home, told me that when she was young her mother saw a stray dog and screamed at her to get in the barn quickly, while she got her gun. The dog was rabid.

    2 - You said that Saint Tsar Nicholas II attended a party after people were trampled while giving out money to commemorate his coronation. Yes he did attend the party by the French Ambassador in his honor so as not to insult him. But in contrast to the other tsars who gave quite a few parties every year with thousands in attendance, Alexandra only gave one major event to celebrate a certain day in Russian history. They were very family oriented.

    3 - Saint Tsar Nicholas II who was going to give all his land to the peasants, was told that if he abdicated it would save Russia. This is why he abdicated and gave the throne to his brother.

    4 - The Tsar's mistake was that he entered WWI out of a sense of honor to protect Serbia when Austria attacked. Had he known Germany would support Austria, he would not have. When he found out it was too late.
    Nicholas was at the front with the troops during the war while his wife and two eldest daughters worked as nurses. Alexandra assisted with the surgeries.

    5 - Saint Tsar Nicholas II was called bloody Nicholas for the shooting of protesters in Saint Petersburg, yet he was not in Saint Petersburg, he was in Tsarkoe Selo. I tend to believe his uncle Vladimir gave the command, but it doesn't matter, because the priest leading the protesters was a revolutionist and he did plan on entering the Palace.

    Now let's get to Lenin, the terrorists and revolutionists:

    1 - Grand Duke Sergius was killed when a bomb was thrown at his carriage. His wife Saint Elizabeth who was Alexandra's sister gathered his remains and the next day went to visit her husband's killer in jail. She told him that she asked the authorities not to kill him, and brought him a Bible because that's what her husband would have wanted.

    2 - Saint Elizabeth was the richest woman in the world, yet she decided to become a nun and opened a hospital. She would tend to the worse cases herself, and her clothes would smell so much of gangrene that they would have to be burned. Later on she was thrown into a mine pit with the rest of the Romonovs and killed.

    3 - When Stalin died and Khruschev became premier one of the killers of the Tsar and his family visited him and told him that when killing them they didn't want to waste bullets on them, so they began stabbing them.

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    So you are unemployed and living off my tax money?
     
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    Do you mean comics? Yeah, Americans adore comics...
    If you trust Solzhenitsyn, I have no questions more :))))

    Dear, do you have an university education? The term "university" you can find in Wikipedia... Though I am not sure you know the term "wikipedia".
     
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    Dog shooting is not his main sin. He shot in Russia.
     
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    The way you write English I am surprised you even know the word University.
     
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    How about some specifics? Tsar Nicholas II gave Russia a free press, the Bolsheviks immediately closed it. Tsar Nicholas II had plans made up to give all his lands to the peasants when the war ended. Lenin promised them land and then gave them nothing.

    Anyway Lenin was a curse on Russia and they suffered 70 years under him, yet the criminals couldn't destroy the country and it's heritage and Christian faith. They tried again in the 90's when foreign bankers gave money to certain parties in Russia to buy up everything while the people went hungry - but then Putin came into power.




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    Unlike some others in our sphere,
    to me Russia is: 'Mother Dear'.

    So if you try to break her heart
    and vilely try to grab a part,

    through devious means with lies and guile
    which as we know is your style,

    then also know you'll suffer ill
    and find it a very bitter pill.

    As others have who came before
    and didn't know what was in store

    for them - Jeannette


     
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    You are very wise, and very well educated, Jeannette - and you have a billion-fold more patience for mediocrity than I ever will! :thumbsup:
     
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    It's not just Sotzhanitsyn, it's many, many others as well, and they have a lot more credibility than the lies spit out by the communists.
     
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    Sorry Mate -- I am not the one footing the Bill .. the Gov't is -- your wages paid out of the collective pot - Socialism.

    Now .. perhaps you earned your wages more so than the average Gov't worker .. and I find this highly likely having some experience with those lazy overpaid syncophants - but this does not change the fact that all this is made possible via redistribution out of the collective pot.

    That said - our Military in general - is the second largest welfare program in the Nation .. not saying wages to the Soldiers are welfare ..but many other aspects are classic corporate welfare .. F-35 being one example - but there are thousands of others.

    No need for a dictionary .. you are the one who can't seem to figure out what your own definitions mean ... claiming Socialism was only full ownership of means of production = Welfare is not socialism .. Duh.
     
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    We believe that main crime of Nikolay II he dragged Russia into WWI.
    Lady you really know very much about Russian History. But I have to say, that the political regime in Russia was very liberal before Nikolay II too. For example, Vera Zasulich wounded the metropolitan governor in the stomach. She was a terrorist. And she was acquitted by a jury.
    You are right partly. Firstly Lenin established food requisitioning. Next he established the New Economic Politics (NEP). NEP is nearly capitalism.
    If to be honest, Lenin had saved Russia... Though... His methods were too extremal. But I don't know how to stop a civil war in Russia differently. Russians supported Lenin because the civil war was more worse than Lenin was. We lost during the Civil War about 5% population. Nobody knows for sure.
    Hmm... As I remember, we lived no too bad. Many of us like that time :)
    Most of Russians sure that the reason of the USSR collapse is Russians themselves. There foreign bankers were, but they are minor characters. It's a main feature of the Russian mentality
     
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    Lady, do you know what is a paradox? Everything the Communists said turned out to be true. Most of Russians believe that.
     
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    The Tsar went to protect Serbia from the Austrians which he felt was the honorable thing to do. To get Russa to back off, Germany said it would support Austria. When they told Nicholas II, it was too late for him to stop the troops. The Tsar had no intention of going to war with Germany nor did Germany intend to go to war with Russia. It was a German bluff that backfired at the cost of millions of lives.

    She might have been a special case. Who knows what he did to her. I read that the big mistake the Russians made with the terrorists was that they usually killed them immediately, when they should have held and questioned them to find out who the other ones were.

    How could Lenin have saved Russia when he was sent there by Germany to cause chaos to end the war? He went to forward the Marxist ideology by destroying the war effort with strikes, stopping food supplies, etc. Propaganda and lies were used readily in the Tsar's free press to brainwash the public and denigrate the Tsar's family.

    Lenin wouldn't have been able to manage it though if the Tsar had the support of his family. His uncle Sergius was assassinated, and his uncle Vladimir's wife and son had personal grievances with Alexandra and their own ambitions for the throne. I think they were the real cause of the revolution.

    This is from the Britannica:

    As many as 10 million lives were lost as a result of the Russian Civil War, and the overwhelming majority of these were civilian casualties. Thousands of perceived opponents of the Bolsheviks were murdered by the Cheka, and life among the peasants was miserable. Disease, particularly typhus, was rampant, and malnutrition was the natural consequence of Lenin’s widespread grain confiscations.
    I wasn't thinking of the collapse of the Soviet Union, I was thinking of what happened afterwards when the government needed help to change the system. The people were given shares in the industries but they couldn't eat shares, so they were bought up by individuals with money from foreign banks. The profits went to off shore accounts and they refused to pay taxes while the people went hungry.

    When Putin told the oligarchs they could keep their business' if they paid their taxes and stayed out of politics, most left and came here or went to London and began demonizing Vladimir Putin.
     
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    1. It was not me who said that Nikolai "Bloody" was shooting dogs. Nikolai "Bloody" wrote about this himself in his diaries. He also pointed out that he shot dogs, cats, crows, pigeons ... and much more. He killed animals not while hunting, but sitting on the veranda of his house and having fun in this way.
    2. It is good that you do not deny the fact that after the death of thousands of his fellow citizens at his coronation, Nikolai "The Bloody" did not give a damn about these things and went to the dances. And, by the way, the ambassadors of other countries who were present at the dances and the French ambassador himself were in indignation and amazement at such ruthless attitude of Nikolai "the Bloody" to his people.
    3. Do not tell tales that the king wanted to give the land to the peasants. This is an outright lie. Even after having freed the peasants from serfdom, the peasants were obliged to pay money to their landowners. This was called ransom "redemption payments".
    4. Nicholas "Bloody" fought in the First World War at the request of French creditors. In Russia, there was a finance minister named Witte who introduced the gold ruble. But the provision of the gold ruble was undertaken (for political and economic interests) by France in exchange for economic privileges.
    And when France "recommended" the Russian tsar to enter the war (threatening to stop supporting the gold ruble), Russia was forced to enter the war.
    And all the patriotic cries are banal PR.
    You can read what level of inflation in Russia arose only after rumors about the end of support for the gold ruble. If the psychopathic tsar had not entered the war, the Russian economy would have turned into a pumpkin instantly.
    5. Nicholas II was nicknamed "Bloody", after the huge number of deaths at his coronation. And especially after this psychopathic king went to dance and have fun after the tragedy.
    Once again, learn real history, not fantasy novels.

    I don't understand, do you think that it was Lenin who threw bombs at the princes' carriages? :roflol::roflol::roflol: This is complete nonsense.
    Princes and other bloodsuckers of the people were killed mainly by members of the "Narodnaya Volya" parties, and later by members of the "Socialist Revolutionaries" parties and, to a lesser extent, by members of the "Anarchists" party.
    For example, the decision to shoot the royal family was made by the Ural Council voting. This association (Ural Council) consisted of members of the Socialist Revolutionaries Party and two members of the Bolshevik Party, who, with two votes against, could not affect the overall result.
    Lenin was very much outraged by the shooting of the royal family. Because he wanted to hold an open trial against them. He wrote that by shooting the tsar and his family, the "Ural Soviet" deprived the revolution of a great political trial, which would have shown to the whole world the criminal nature of the tsarist power.
    For example, I believe that Nikolai "The Bloody" was executed deservedly, but the fact that an open trial did not take place over him was to the detriment of promoting the ideas of the Bolshevik Party.
     
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