Putin says Russians will 'go to Heaven as martyrs' in the event of a nuclear war as he would only us

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  1. vis

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    I think that Putin talks too much about a nuclear war and about possible military attack from other countries.
     
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    As tmore time passes by, the bigger bullshit is coming from the Russia leaders and craziest ideas came popular un the russian society. Where are they going?
     
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    Look I'm going to be honest here. Russia is a completely different situation than the EU or the US, so it can't be compared. The Muslims like the native Americans never immigrated into Russia. They always lived in their own areas of the country, so they are Russian citizens. The relationship goes back to the time of Catherine the Great and was only disturbed when CIA influenced terrorists came in from the Gulf and began infiltrating Chechnya so as to break it away from Moscow.

    In order to hold on to the Islamic Republics, Vladimir Putin gave them greater rights and more independence. He also threw a lot of money into developing them - and it's appreciated. Kadyrov's men who are Sunnis, are the ones who are now guarding the Golan Heights in Syria for the Russians, as well as the deconfliction zones.

    Whatever resentment the Moscovites might have had towards them over the Chechnyan wars, has left because of the sacrifices they're making for 'mother' Russia. (Kadyrov's word's, not mine).
     
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    Nice, this Russian bullshit was translated on English too. Can you Tell me, how could Oder offensive of 12.01.1945. stopped the Germans Arden offensive, if germans offensive has been stopped by allied forces on 22.12.1944?
     
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    Yes, especially in Moscow ethnic groups like tadziks lived always.
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thanks for your well expressed, Interesting & thought provoking observations.
    I agree with most all of what you say and only have time to address a few of your assertions

    1.
    I'm not sure to what degree systematic & universal extermination of the Russian people was a key component in Germany's WW2 Occupation plans on the Eastern Front as that theater was more a struggle between two different ideologies, Fascism vs Bolshevism. As you noted, there were Russian Nazis just as I'm sure there were German Communists some of whom may even have fought for and/or supported Stalin.

    2.
    I understand that the spread of communism can be viewed as different from a nation expanding its borders, but the net result is the same in that the USSR was expanding to its Czarist borders and was militarily prepared to go far beyond (i.e. Finland, N. Iran, etc).
    As you are aware, Stalin's former "Iron Curtain" included significantly more land than Czarist Russia.

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    You are probably also aware that at the Evian Conference in 1938, the German Zionist Federation blocked the transfer of Jews to any place other than Palestine even though other countries were willing to take German Jews. For Germany's Zionists, Germany's Jews could either go to Palestine or stay in Germany & take their chances.
     
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    That's what I did too and left some out as well to be able to note how quick and efficient their propaganda networks spread misinformation. It is crucial to understand so we can counter it.
     
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    Kadyrov has cut deal with his father's killer: Putin. He's a duchebagg.
    Russia is supporting jihadi terrorists in Syria, destabilizing Africa, stealing Crimea and undermining the national security of Israel...

    So Russia is a rogue mafia-state that is one of the biggest threats to overall world order, global peace and stability.

    People of Russia who have very long been oppressed by Putin's dictatorship will have to rise and overthrow the puppet of Nazis for good. They will have to do it eventually because otherwise they will have had no freedom of walking on the streets because these opportunist Eurasianist clique of Kremlin that you've been propagandizing the views of for so long will have been seizing everything the Russian citizens own very soon.
    You are blood thirsty and what's even worse is you are a low IQ poster... : (
     
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    I do not care. The fact is, the system of affirmative actions is unconstitutional.
    Any woman in the government = the conflict of interests and anti-male policies.
     
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    Don't you think it is stupid to participate in this thread for sole purpose to ignore Russians?
     
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    Come on man.
    If Americans like their country that is their choice, but you are trying to propagate stupidity on everyone in the world.
     
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    That is because you work for the government or for the organization that is protected by the government.
    The reality is that you can't leave your workplace fearing to lose your health coverage and pay thousands of dollars for the plan that covers nothing.
     
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    If what I wrote was "nonsense" it should be very easy for you to refute.

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    That's what everyone says when they can't refute what I've written.

    Not only have I read "original sources", I've spoken at length with hundreds of eyewitnesses of various nationalities & ethnic backgrounds who survived WW2 & subsequent atrocities.
     
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    Firstly, I'm sorry that your family suffered as much as they did during WW2 and I recognize that Russia contributed the most to Germany's defeat and that D.Day etc occurred after Germany was already losing the war.

    Secondly, not everyone who was in Germany's military was actually German as about 2 million non Germans served in Germany's WW2 military. Additionally, only about 10% of Germany's population were members of the Nazi party so very few Germans were card carrying Nazis.
    Yes, everyone has heard of Dr. Mengele, Buchenwald etc etc but only about 1/3 of the world believes the official holocaust narrative(1) & even fewer know that the same concentration camps were used on innocent German civilians who committed no more crimes than your innocent relatives.

    Finally, I hope that there is never a "new war" and if there is, it it is unlikely that it will include the invasion of Russia. I suspect that the next significant war will be over events in the Mid East as the US & Israel fabricate some excuse (False Flag?) to attack Iran.

    You have good reason to be proud of your relatives and I hope that, at the same time, you will consider the fact that you have heard only one side of a very complex story told by the victors.



    (1) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT “This is the most staggering statistic in a new survey by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of more than 53,000 people in over 100 countries, conducted by First International Resources.

    Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED
     
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    I don't remember I allowed you to quote me. Low IQ posters aren't allowed to quote me. That's why Jeanette replies some of my posts without quoting.
    You should do the same.

    Regards,
    Fidan.
     
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    I do not understand the language of cattle. Therefore, I ask you to write a literary language. Perhaps you are accustomed to communicating in Harlem, but I beg you, do not take the Negro slang to this forum.
     
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    It's impossible. For this you need to have a brain.
     
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    Not surprising. This is what you consist of. :roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    I'm glad you finally found shitt matched your low IQ humor... That's something... lol...
     
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    Apparently he owns more information than we are with you.
     
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    Unfortunately for you, I can not joke even more primitive. Therefore, you need to strain all your efforts to understand what is written.:roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    On December 16, Army Group B, under the command of Field Marshal Walter Model, launched the Ardennes operation. Using the surprise factor, the Wehrmacht forces broke through the front line and advanced to a depth of 90 km to the west. By the end of the month, the first wave of the German offensive was stopped by the 3rd American Army, commanded by George Patton.
    In early January 1945, the Wehrmacht forces moved to Strasbourg. On January 6, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill addressed the chairman of the USSR SNK, Joseph Stalin, with a request to launch an offensive against Germany in the east: “I will be grateful if you can tell me if we can count on a major Russian offensive elsewhere in January and at any other time you may wish to mention. "
    The next day, Joseph Stalin replied: “We are preparing for an offensive, but the weather is not the most favorable now. However, given the position of our allies on the western front, the Supreme Command decided to complete preparations at an accelerated pace and, regardless of the weather, to open broad offensive actions against Germans on the entire central front no later than the second half of January. "
    On the night of January 12-13, the Soviet troops launched an East Prussian strategic offensive operation. On January 16, the German command was forced to begin the transfer of troops from the western front to the eastern borders of Germany. By the end of January, the Allies fully restored the front line.

    Learn the story, but do not read the bullshit of the Western media. :roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    And this is for you to compare.

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    I know that all of Europe fought against the USSR.

    Together with Germany, Finland, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania and Italy were preparing for war with the USSR.
    Finland - 17.5 divisions, a total of 340 thousand 600 people, 2047 guns, 86 tanks and 307 aircraft;
    Slovakia - 2.5 divisions with a total of 42,500 men, 246 guns, 35 tanks and 51 aircraft;
    Hungary - 2.5 divisions for a total of 44 thousand 500 people, 200 guns, 160 tanks and 100 aircraft;
    Romania - 17.5 divisions, a total of 358 thousand 100 people, 3255 guns, 60 tanks and 423 aircraft;
    Italy - 3 divisions with 61 thousand 900 people, 925 guns, 61 tanks and 83 aircraft.
    That is almost a million people in 42.5 divisions with 7 thousand guns, 402 tanks and almost thousands of aircraft. A simple calculation shows that only on the Eastern Front were the allies of Hitler's axis, and it would be more correct to call them, they had 166 divisions numbering 4 million 307 thousand people with 42,601 artillery units of various systems, as well as 4,171 tanks and assault guns and 4846 aircraft.
    So: 2 million 812 thousand only from the Wehrmacht and 4 million 307 thousand of the total, given the strength of the allies. One and a half times more than the Russians.

    Besides. They fought against the Russians.

    1. Albania: The 21st Mountain Division SS Skanderbeg (1st Albanian);
    2. Belgium: the 27th Volunteer Grenadier Division of the SS "Langemark" (1st Flemish), the 28th Volunteer Tank-Grenadier Division of the SS "Walloon" (1st Walloon), the Flemish SS Legion;
    3. Bulgaria: Bulgarian anti-tank brigade of SS troops (1st Bulgarian);
    4. United Kingdom: Arab Arab Legion "Free Arabia", British Volunteer Corps, Indian Volunteer Legion of the SS "Free India";
    5. Hungary: 17th SS Corps, 25th Grenadier SS Division "Hunyadi" (1st Hungarian), 26th Grenadier SS Division (2nd Hungarian), 33rd Cavalry SS Division (3rd Hungarian );
    6. Denmark: 11th SS Volunteer Tank-Grenadier Division Nordland, 34th Landstorm Nederland Volunteer Grenadier Division (2nd Dutch), Danmark SS (Free Danish Corps), SS Volunteer Corps Schalburg;
    7. Italy: 29th Grenadier Division of the SS "Italy" (1st Italian);
    8. Netherlands: 11th Volunteer Tank-Grenadier Division of the SS Nordland, 23rd Volunteer Motorized Division of the SS Nederland (1st Dutch), 34th Volunteer Grenadier Division Landstorm Nederland (2nd Dutch) , Flemish Legion SS;
    9. Norway: the Norwegian Legion of the SS, the Norwegian battalion of ski rangers of the SS, the Norwegian Legion of the SS, 11th Volunteer Tank-Grenadier Division of the SS "Nordland";
    10. Poland: Guralsky Volunteer Legion of the SS;
    11. Romania: 103rd SS Tank Fighter Regiment (1st Romanian), Grenadier SS Regiment of the SS (2nd Romanian);
    12. Serbia: Serbian SS Volunteer Corps;
    13. Latvia: Latvian Legionnaires, Latvian SS Volunteer Legion, 6th SS Corps, 15th Grenadier SS Division (1st Latvian), 19th Grenadier SS Division (2nd Latvian);
    14. Estonia: 20th SS Grenadier Division (1st Estonian);
    15. Finland: Finnish SS volunteers, Finnish SS volunteer battalion, 11th volunteer SS-division “Nordland”;
    16. France: French SS Legion, 28th Volunteer SS Tank-Grenadier Division "Wallonia" (1st Walloon), 33rd Grenadier SS Division "Charlemagne" (1st French), Bezen Perrot Legion (recruited of the Breton nationalists);
    17. Croatia: SS 9th Mountain Corps, SS Khanjar 13th Mountain Division (1st Croatian). 23rd SS Mountain Division "Kama" (2nd Croatian);
    18. Czechoslovakia: Goral Volunteer Legion of the SS
    19. Galicia: the 14th Grenadier Division of the SS “Galicia” (1st Ukrainian).
    20. Belarus: 1st and 2nd SS Grenadier Divisions, and 10 more formations from the battalion to the squadron and police units
    21. Georgia: Georgian Wehrmacht Legion
    22-28. Central Asia: Turkestan Legion (Karachai, Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Turkmen, Kyrgyz, Uygurs, Tatars)
    29 Azerbaijan: Azerbaijani Legion (14 battalions)
    30. Armenia: Wehrmacht Armenian Legion (11 battalions)...

    Separately:

    Scandinavian 5th SS Panzer Division Viking - the Netherlands, Denmark, Belgium, Norway;
    Balkan 7th SS Volunteer Mountain Division “Prince Eugen” - Hungary, Romania, Serbia.
    The 24th Mountain-Rifle (Cave) SS Division Karstjeger - Czechoslovakia, Serbia, Galicia, Italy;
    The 36th Grenadier Division of the SS "Dirlewanger" - recruited from criminals from various European countries.

    Mention should also be made of "Hiwi", from the German Hilfswilliger, that is, "willing to help." These are volunteers who entered the service directly in the Wehrmacht. They served in auxiliary units. But this does not mean non-combat. For example, from "Hiwi" formed anti-aircraft calculations for the Luftwaffe.

    The simple fact is that there were more Danes, Norwegians and even French prisoners of war on the eastern front than they did in resisting the Nazis in their homeland.

    And we have not even touched on the topic of economic potential that worked for the German military machine. First of all, it is Czechoslovakia, the pre-war leader of arms production in Europe, and France. And this - artillery, small arms and tanks.

    For example, the Czech arms concern "Skoda". Every third German tank that took part in Operation Barbarossa was made in this company. First of all, this is the LT-35, received in the Wehrmacht Pz.Kpfw. 35 (t).
    Moreover, after the annexation of Czechoslovakia, German experts discovered two new LT-38 tanks in the Skoda workshops. After getting acquainted with the drawings, the Germans decided to put the tank into service and began its serial production.
    Production of these tanks went almost to the end of the war, only from the end of 1941 they began to be produced as a base for German self-propelled guns. More than half of the German self-propelled guns had a Czech base.

    The French, in turn, provided the Germans with their ship repair facilities. German submarines, the thunderstorms of the Atlantic Allied convoys, the so-called “Wolf Packs of Doenitz”, were based and repaired on the southern coast of France and in Middle-earth near Marseille. Moreover, the ship repair brigades organized competitions for who would quickly repair the boat.

    list of prisoners of war, surrendered to Soviet troops during the war. Recall that a prisoner of war is one who fights in uniform with a weapon in his hand. So, the Germans - 2 389 560, the Hungarians - 513 767, the Romanians - 187 370, the Austrians - 156 682, the Czechs and Slovaks - 69 977, the Poles - 60 280, the Italians - 48 957, the French - 23 136, the Croats - 21 822, Moldovans - 14,129, Jews - 10,173, Dutch - 4,729, Finns - 2,377, Belgians - 2,010, Luxembourgers - 1,652, Danes - 457, Spaniards - 452, Gypsies - 383, Norwegians - 101, Swedes - 72.

    I also think that the Holocaust is complete nonsense. Of course, many Jews were arrested and executed, but this was nothing more than people of a different nationality. For example, Russian died 28 million - no holocaust. Chinese died more than 35 million - there is no holocaust. 6 million Jews perished - howling stands around the world about the Holocaust.

    The French are going to fight against the Russians.

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