Putin says Russians will 'go to Heaven as martyrs' in the event of a nuclear war as he would only us

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  1. Canell

    Canell Well-Known Member

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    Bollocks!
    The soul weighs 21 grams and it's a proven fact.
     
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    I think Trump and Putin want to go back to the cold war days, that is probably what they discussed in private
     
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    What are you talking about? 90% of job postings list health insurance as part of benefits package. From the cost perspective to the employer it doesn’t cost a whole lot. Currently, with open positions exceeding the number of people available to work, employee retention is very important. Losing employees results in the need to hire new ones and to spend time and money training them, which hurts your productivity. Benefits are pretty much extension of the salary - if the US had single payer system employees would be getting paid more, and at the same time these employees would pay similar amount in taxes to pay for healthcare.
    When you claim that I’m afraid to leave my job because I’m afraid to lose healthcare just shows that you don’t live in the US - almost all employers offer healthcare and if you want to work as an independent contractor you can buy your own coverage. There are many solutions.
    I make way more money in private sector than what I would if I were working for the government, which is another indication that you have no idea what you are talking about. One posting comes to mind that I recently saw - US Army needed a budget analyst. Pay was $50,000. Similar position in private sector goes for at least $70,000. For extra $20k per year you can buy yourself supplemental health to extend your existing coverage and still receive considerably higher paycheck.
    Your raving about food is laughable - years ago I used to work at a meat processing plant and the plant could not operate without FDA agent on site. If he oversleeps the whole operation idles while everyone is waiting for him. There are more quality controls in the US than in most other places on this planet.
    As for guaranteed vacation - all employers compete for quality employees. No employer wants their employees to gain valuable experience and jump to an employer across the street because of vacations and health insurance. You literally have no understanding of how employment works. You view it as some kind of slavery pool when in reality it’s competition among employers for the best workers and in order to get them employers compete in compensation packages. A minimum of 2 weeks vacation + national holidays is the standard in the US. Nobody guarantees it but I’ll wish good luck to any employer who does not offer this minimum. At my prior job I had 25 work days + holidays (10 days). This is more than 1.5 months every year!


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    SQUIRREL!
     
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    Yo
    You have no idea how dinosauric you comments about women are. You are well behind modern times where women are equal, competent and in terms of leading countries into conflict....could not do a worse job than then sabre rattling men on this planet
     
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    actually. under no circumstances woman should be elected in any political office due to the conflict of interests.
    since women are getting special rights/privileges from the government in form of Affirmative Actions, they will fight for more special benefits from the government.
     
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    That is what I am talking about.
    You are the slave and do not understand the slavery system.
    It is really dangerous situation.

    Besides you do not understand that you are the slave of the black people, women and pederasts.
     
  8. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Re:
    I think that even casual students of European history would regard the causes of WW 1 & WW 2 as far more complex than to be blamed on just one country.
    Firstly, many historians regard WW 1 & WW 2 as one longer conflict that was not adequately resolved in 1918.
    The treaty of Versailles and postwar Allied plunder, blockades & martial machinations guaranteed only one thing and that was an inevitable WW2.
    WW2 was already well underway before the USSR & Germany decided to divide Poland as Japan had invaded Manchuria & Mussolini had taken Ethiopia.
    If one is to consider Hitler's invasion of Poland as the official start of WW2, one must also consider the very real massacre of ethnic Germans living in the Danzig corridor(1).
    Stalin's military purge in the mid 1930s indicates that he, too was preparing for war on either front.
    Briefly put, the European wars of the 1900s had as many different causes as they did equally guilty participants.

    Thanks


    "The 1939 Danzig Massacres of ethnic Germans which caused Hitler to invade Poland"

    http://fr.soc.histoire.narkive.com/...-germans-which-caused-hitler-to-invade-poland

    The 1939 Danzig Massacres

    In the months leading up to the German invasion the Polish Army and independent Bolshevik units had been slaughtering German nationals in the Danzig corridor. Mass killings of thousands of civilian ethnic Germans (Volksdeutsche) by both civilian and Russian NDVK Jews, who were confident that Poland would quickly defeat Germany. Many apparently expected to take possession of German farms and businesses.
    An estimated 58,000 German civilians lost their lives in the massacres carried out prior to the 1939 invasion.

    Poles had been merrily slaughtering anything or anybody German since at least as early as April 1939, with smaller incidents stretching back to the close of WW I -- you haven't been told that by the Mass Media, or the fact that these atrocities were one of the main causes for the German invasion of Poland.
    Germany had protesting in writing to the League of Nations literally dozens of times with no results.
     
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    Russia will never have normal life as long as it’s full of racist homophobes like you.
    Name a country where citizens don’t have to work for a living (being slaves in your twisted mind).
    The beauty of the US healthcare is that with insurance I can go and see the same doctor your Russian rulers see when they get sick, except that to me the cost of a visit is $20-$30, for them it’s thousands, especially if it involves inpatient treatment.
    That eye doctor who treated a Saudi prince several years ago sees other patients too, who are just regular US residents. You live in garbage country because your own rulers send their kids here to live, come here for medical treatment and invest into properties here, while they make you believe that Americans are slaves to health insurance.
    All they need to do is to make the masses in your country to believe that there are no good alternatives to what they have, hiding the fact that the absolute majority of your country’s population literally lives in conditions that are much worse than those of American extremely poor.
     
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    History has a way of continuing.....

    Seems the massacre of germans by poles was AFTER the invasion started. And its not like the nazi's didn't extract their pound of flesh in typical barbaric fashion.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1939)
     
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    The fact that Poles massacred innocent German civilians after the German invasion does not negate the fact that they massacred innocent German civilians before Germany invaded Poland thus prompting Hitler to invade Poland or the fact that Stalin was preparing to invade Europe from the East as asserted by historian, Viktor Suvorov(1) or the fact that France attacked Germany in September of 1939(2).

    The first declaration of war in WW2 was made by Jewish leaders claiming to represent all the world's Jews against Germany.(3)

    The fact remains that choosing the invasion of Poland by Germany as the "cause" of WW2 is as simplistic as it it is fraudulent.

    As long as the victors continue to write the history, the vanquished will always be falsely blamed for "causing" WW2.



    (1) "Exposing Stalin’s Plan to Conquer Europe:…"
    https://www.counter-currents.com/201...onquer-europe/

    EXCERPT "In Icebreaker, Suvorov details the deployment of Soviet forces in June 1941, describing just how Stalin amassed vast numbers of troops and stores of weapons along the European frontier, not to defend the Soviet homeland but in preparation for a westward attack and decisive battles on enemy territory.

    Thus, when German forces struck, the bulk of Red ground and air forces were concentrated along the Soviet western borders facing contiguous European countries, especially the German Reich and Romania, in final readiness for an assault on Europe.

    In his second book on the origins of the war, “M Day” (for “Mobilization Day”), Suvorov details how, between late 1939 and the summer of 1941, Stalin methodically and systematically built up the best armed, most powerful military force in the world — actually the world’s first superpower — for his planned conquest of Europe. Suvorov explains how Stalin’s drastic conversion of the country’s economy for war actually made war inevitable.

    Stalin instead wanted the Soviet regime to take advantage of occasional “armistices” in the global struggle to consolidate Red military strength for the right moment when larger and better armed Soviet forces would strike into central and western Europe, adding new Soviet republics as this overwhelming force rolled across the continent."CONTINUED


    (2) "When The French Army Invaded Germany in 1939 To Support Poland, All Did Not Go As Planned"
    https://www.warhistoryonline.com/in...e-french-army-invaded-germany-in-1939-xb.html

    EXCERPT "Germany was not the first country to go on the offensive on the western front of World War Two. That first attack came from France, which launched a brief and ineffective invasion of Germany in September 1939. This

    That first attack came from France, which launched a brief and ineffective invasion of Germany in September 1939. This attack, intended to help the far-away Poles, became an embarrassing defeat and a harbinger of what would follow when Germany invaded France."CONTINUED


    (3) "Jews Declare War on Germany 1933"
    https://archive.org/stream/JewsDeclareWarOnGermany1933/JewsDeclareWarOnGermany1933_djvu.txt
     
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    Just an article that the pro-russian trolls should be made aware of, as their actions are being monitored:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/23/us/politics/russian-hacking-usa-cyber-command.html

    "WASHINGTON — The United States Cyber Command is targeting individual Russian operatives to try to deter them from spreading disinformation to interfere in elections, telling them that American operatives have identified them and are tracking their work, according to officials briefed on the operation.

    The campaign, which includes missions undertaken in recent days, is the first known overseas cyberoperation to protect American elections, including the November midterms.

    The operations come as the Justice Department outlined on Friday a campaign of “information warfare”by Russians aimed at influencing the midterm elections, highlighting the broad threat the American government sees from Moscow’s influence campaign."
     
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    Maybe I do not understand the "modern life of Western society." I also consider same-sex marriage unacceptable. Women who want equality, I advise you to go to work in the mine. Prove your equality with deeds.
     
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    If we talk about the intricacies of the beginning of the Second World War in Europe. The Second World War began in 1938, when Poland, together with Germany and Hungary, tore up Czechoslovakia. With the approval of Western countries. (Munich Agreement)

    If we talk specifically about Poland. Churchill gave the best description to the Poles. He called it "Hyena of Europe"

    If we talk about the genocide of the Germans, then we should not forget about the post-war genocide of the Germans in Poland. With the approval of the official authorities of Poland. At the same time, it may seem strange to you, but only the Red Army did not allow the Poles to exterminate the Polish Germans one and all.
    Russian soldiers defended the Germans in post-war Poland.
    The offer of the West was to dismember Germany into five, seven, twelve parts. The only person who said: “The Hitlers come and go, but the German people remains,” was Stalin.
    Stalin - the only person who defended the German people despite the fact that he led the country that suffered the most from the Germans. The only one who performed for the Germans to and the preservation of post-war Germany (the United States and Britain insisted that new small formations do not even have names such as "Germany") be was Stalin. Therefore, any word insulting Stalin by the Germans is an act of blatant ingratitude towards a person who preserved the German people.
     
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    Why do you refer to the science fiction writer (traitor Suvorov who escaped from the USSR)? With the same success you can refer to the fantastic novels of Gerbetra Wells, Jules Verne or Solzhenitsyn. And submit it as a historical fact. Maybe you are studying the history of France from the novels of the Three Musketeers by Alexander Dumas?

    Do you want to justify fascism? Then tell us that Hitler copied death camps following the example of the British concentration camps in the war with the Boers.
    The fact of the extermination of Indians in North America, in your opinion justifies the massacres that the Germans committed in Russia?
     
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    Of course a low IQ poster can't understand the importance of having control over other natural resource reserves (like minerals) in different parts of the world. UK will start using fusion next decade. Others will follow. Nobody will give no single flying damn to Russian oil or gas soon. Russia does know very well the western tech is at completely different level and improving very fast. Without western demand Russia is of no use like China, Iran and KSA... A mafialand in 3rd world... lol
     
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    Tell that to Erdogan who's ready to go to war over the gas and oil deposits in the Greek and Cypriot territorial waters.

    Now be a good boy and look at a map of the Russian Federation at the bottom of the page. Big isn't it? A
    ll that bigness has goodies in it not just gas and oil.

    It has forests with lots of wood, and mines with lots of coal and gold and diamonds, and silver, and platinum, and copper, and lead, and zinc, and bauxite, and nickel, and tin, and mercury, and titanium, and manganese, and potash, and uranium, and cobalt, and molybdenum, and tungsten, and aluminum, and phosphates, and rhenium -

    And not only that, it has things that can beautify you other than diamonds, gold and silver. It has emeralds, and rubies, and jade, and topaz, and amethyst, and aquamarine, and agate, and citrine, and garnet, and opal, and malachite,
    garnet and alexandrite, and serphinite, and rhodonite, and diopside -

    Besides that, they have talents and brains -

    Now if you were a big greedy boogyman that wants to have everything in the world, how would you take it? Why by breaking up the Federation of course. You would surround it with arms, and propagate lies, and blackmail, and bribe government officials, and then infiltrate the Federation with CIA agents and try to do the same.

    See Goody, now you're learning. Thank me for it - I don't charge!

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    Nothing justifies the killing of Russians by the Nazis, or of anyone else - including the people in the Middle East today.

    As for the native Americans, you're paying too much attention to greedy lawyers who want to sue the government and make a buck. The natives in North America died mostly from the measles. The colonists noticed that only the half breeds had immunity and were able to survive.

    Many natives assimilated and intermarried, this is why so many in rural places and states like Kentucky have brown eyes. As for the ones who died during the wars with the settlers, they were usually savages.

    The natives who didn't want to assimilate, were given reservations so they could have there own laws and hunt and fish and do whatever they want. Many of these reservations have oil and are wealthy, and other ones opened casino's since they didn't have to go by state laws. Many though are destitute, and are being helped by Christian charities.

    These charities also fed people during the depression, so the stories about people starving to death are all lies. For heaven's sake, the Churches had hospitals, schools and orphanages all over the Middle East, Far East and Africa, so why wouldn't they help people in their own country?
     
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    Are you out of your mind? My grandson had a hernia operation 2 months ago, and even with one of the best insurance's in the country, he was still charged three and a half thousand dollars. Let's just say at one time we had the best health care system in the world, but that was before the lawyers began suing for every little thing, and drove insurance rates sky high.

    Today the doctors can't think of their patients first and forement, only of how they are going to pay their insurance premiums as well as how to protect themselves from law suits. To protect from lawsuits, they have to recommend medicines and treatments backed by the firms, and also treatments that give them a substantial kick back.

    Chemotherapy is one example, when there are other treatments such as eliminating glucose from ones diet, and/or having green drinks every day, etc.
     
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    The moral should be, move south. It reminds me of New York with its filthy snow and dark skies. Boy am I glad I live in Florida now - but it is hot. As for the drivers, are they drunk?
     
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    Hello;

    I reckon that as a low IQ poster you might have some difficulties with comprehending what you read. This simple text should help; hopefully:

    "On October 9, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov met in Sochi with President of the Central African Republic Faustin-Archange Touadera, who has come to Russia on a private visit.

    The officials reaffirmed their countries’ resolve to build up practical cooperation in the political, trade, economic and cultural areas and pointed to the considerable potential for partnership in mineral resources exploration, in the energy area, as well as in the delivery of Russian industrial equipment and farming machinery to the Central African Republic.

    Mr Lavrov and Mr Touadera exchanged opinions on current global and regional affairs and confirmed a mutual willingness to expand their cooperation at the UN and other multilateral forums. They highlighted the need for the CAR authorities and the international community to take joint political and diplomatic efforts to normalise the situation in the Central African Republic, including by launching a comprehensive process for the disarmament, demobilisation and social reintegration of combatants. The officials also discussed the situation in the Democratic Republic of the Congo and South Sudan, as well as Syrian settlement."


    Source: The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation
    http://www.mid.ru/en/maps/cf/-/asset_publisher/obfEMxF2i9RB/content/id/2894441

    Russian Federation has also sent "170 civilian" contractors to train CAR military. Those 170 civilians are Wagner's Nazi boys who are also responsible of the killings of 3 journalists in Sibut, CAR.
    The murdered journalists were Orkhan Dzhemal, Aleksandr Rastorguev and Kirill Radchenko. They were reporting Wagner activities in CAR. Russian Foreign Ministry also recognized the journalists of the same names were killed in CAR.

    So we have a 3rd world mafia state called Russian Federation who blackmailed CAR leader to accept and allow Wagner killers to train CAR army in order to render them to protect cut deals for mineral explorations.

    PONIAL ?

    P.s: I'm Greek.
     
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    Putin will help out Iran if he is asked, and if he feels it's a matter of survival and beneficial to the Russian people.

    As for elections in Ukraine, of course it will be a source of tension since the only candidates will be Poroshenko and Tymoshenko - both crooks, with no one to represent the other half of the country.

    It will be the same as it is today with the name change in Fyrom. The resolution to change the name didn't pass because those who didn't want it refused to vote, but the EU flaunted it as a great success since it's what Nato wants.

    It reminds me of Greece, where the citizens came into Athens and Thessaloniki from all over the country to protest the name change. It's estimated by the aerial photos that the protesters were in the hundreds of thousands, yet the American controlled media made it a minor turn out, and put them at about 800. No photos were shown of course.


    Now that's a dumb question. Christian martyrdom assures a better existence in a dimension where a person's physical and carnal self has ceased to exist. Anyway Vladimir Putin was just joking. No one knows what the state of one's soul is at the time of death, and who is worthy and who is not.

    And yet Russia unlike the US and EU, has no racial, ethnic or religious problems even though the Muslims constitute about 1/3 of the population. So now explain to me why?

    When Americans go to Europe they find they can eat foods that make them sick here, and even more food without gaining weight.

    But look, if it keeps the executives in the agri and drug companies happy, then who are we the little people to complain? Besides you can't complain if you don't know about something right? Now you know why people like Alex Jones have been banned - not to mention conservatives, Christians, etc., etc. Fascism anyone?


    On October 11 Facebook closed down 559 pages and 251 personal accounts.

     
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    What insurance does he have? I pay very little for my operations.
     
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    Meanwhile, China is working feverishly on an advanced Quantum Entanglement holographic type system that will project / mimic radar tracking signatures of US ballistic missiles crossing the Bering Straights.

    Relatively low cost way to eliminate two of it's rivals, simultaneously.
     
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    speculation likely due to fear.
     

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