The side effects , BOTH temporary and PERMANENT including death, do happen......and I bet NO doctor EVER tells a pregnant woman about them all. I posted that list because some "men" in the abortion forum insisted that pregnancy is nothing but morning sickness , stretch marks and a little pain a birth...they contend that pregnancy is just a little "inconvenience"....all of which is one huge lie... so I thought I let them see what they would REALLY be agreeing to... (and I didn't even touch on the financial loss of pregnancy, the career and educational setbacks, possible job loss, etc. )
Oh please I think women have been brave enough to get pregnant for the last thousand years so no lectures needed...
First, how would you know? Second, you just met one - me. We are raising one child right now from an unmarried 18 year old girl. We just accepted another from an unmarried 25 year old who is 2 months pregnant and was going to abort but was convinced not to abort, we are paying all her medical expenses and helping her in other areas, and will adopt the child. There are others like me, many more than you know, because you don't associate with that group of people.
You think man and the world are only a couple of thousands years old? You never struck as being religious tbh.
Wow! What a hell of a laundry list! I'm surprised your mother pulled it all off. I wonder if she had it to do over, would she?
She, with many billions of other women, did it multiple times...... goes to show you how strong women are.....
I'm aware. My woman birthed three awesome children for us. I wouldn't give a woman who had an abortion the sweat off my sack if she was dying of thirst. Voluntarily terminate the life in your womb? That is lower than whale dung on the bottom of the sea.
So? Show YOUR PROOF that pregnancy does not cause any harm or change to women's bodies.. ...your denigration of what women go through to have a bay is noted.
As if the rest of your post didn't show your disdain for women the "My woman" proves it. You don't own her. ...and guess what? Women who've had abortions don't care what you think of them, it's meaningless...
There will be a percentage of pro-life men who definitely would have that fetus implanted. Not necessarily a large percentage at all but there are men, I am sure that would do so to save the 'life'. Many women actually feel like they want the experience of pregnancy and child birth as part of the natural parenting process. I don't doubt there would be such men if their imaginations could realistically reach there. There are joys to be had in having a life growing inside you. Magic moments that the laundry list of symptoms and risks does not contain.
Well if a male Anti-Choicer really believed a fetus is a "precious life" you'd think they'd be happy to do what they want to FORCE women to do, without hesitation...
Im glad you brought up 'Anti-Choicer.' Most 'Pro-Lifer's are just trying to save babies. They see abortion as murder and dont see your right to 'murder' as legitimate. Im not saying they're right, but the very terminology of the two groups is designed to ingender division and conflict. 'Pro- Choice' designates opponents as 'Anti-Choice' in the same way that 'Pro-Life' designates oppenents as 'Anti-Life.' Neither is accurate, and the negative connotations associated with the terminology are a part of this atmosphere of rigid resistance against the opposition where we cant focus on the truth that most of us agree that killing babies is tragic and body autonomy is paramount to liberty. Instead we just focus on which is *more* inportant to us individually and everyone who disagrees can **** off... not very conducive to finding a solution.
You are trying to generalize, but each effort by you presumes the worst of these men. I think you should stop trying to categorize them based on one specific moral or political view. Some are courageous; some are cowards. Some are selfish; some are generous. Some are impulsive; some are planners. Some think primarily of risk; some think instead of glory. Some are sincere; some are disingenuous. They are really no different from 'pro-choice' men who do not believe a fetus is a 'precious life. We would not want to make a lot of assumptions about them either.
A. A solution has been found, abortion is legal. B. No one can be Pro-LIFE if the only "life" their care about is that of the fetus. ...once it's born they don't give a damn ( want to cut funding to WIC , SNAP, Welfare, anything that benefits children) C. That's why I call them Anti-Choice, because taking away women's right to choose is their goal, controlling and punishing women is their goal. D. Abortion has nothing to do with killing babies....and those that say it is have no knowledge of abortion and/or prefer trying to use emotions rather than facts....I thought you mentioned "accuracy" ...
Where in this am I generalizing: ""Well if a male Anti-Choicer really believed a fetus is a "precious life" you'd think they'd be happy to do what they want to FORCE women to do, without hesitation..."" UH, this is the ABORTION Forum with a specific thread title ...YOOOHOOOO!!! Uh, what is that in aid of....gee, men are different from each other is some things, too bad they don't think women are different... Good Grief! Of course there a difference between people who want to take away other people's rights and those that don't !!! WTF are you talking about...??? DECENT, honest people do NOT try to take away other people's rights. People who want to make abortion illegal want to make women's lives harder, The End. And it doesn't matter if they lie and say "Oh, I only care about the BAAAAAAAAbies!"..they're still trying to steal from women rights that THEY WOULD NEVER GIVE UP TO SAVE ANY BABY.
I could refute it all day, but I can't *prove* to you anyones motivation. But if you truly believe that everyone who is against abortion is intentionally trying to repress, control and punish women as their primary goal, then you are (jaded wasnt the right word) impassive on the issue, as that is a highly biased, extreme and unprovable position.
All that blather and abortion is still legal ....and women will always have abortions whether legal or not... Which shows that the only reason Anti-Choicers want to make it illegal is to punish women for having sex.... ...and back to the topic, seems not many men are willing to trade places
looks like some of our stuff was deleted... But seriously, your gonna say 'u cant refute these points' and then after i refute at length, you come back with the smug, meaningless quip- "All that blather and abortion is still legal " That is a troll. why are you here? whats your purpose? I had presumed you were trying to fight the pro-lifers who, in theory, would restrict abortion. But you arent trying to convince them of anything, you're just calling them women haters. Im here to try and enlighten, and be enlightened (and of course I enjoy the challenge of debate) 'abortion is still legal ' is not an argument for anything. Its a gloat, maybe even a challenge to push your ideological opponents into trying *harder* to pass restrictions. What are you trying to do here?
Your opinion is NOT a refutation...claiming an opposing view means the poster is "emotional" when YOU talk about truckloads of dead babies...hilarious...and you wanted a serious discussion??? ...and the topic was a question for Anti-Choice men about would they trade places with a pregnant woman.....doesn't seem many are willing to take on such an "easy" task What's YOUR purpose here? I haven't seen any "enlightenment" from you and you refuse to be enlightened....?? You haven't said how, to save a "" precious life", you'd gladly be pregnant....or any reason why you wouldn't... But, you're right, Off topic seems to be the way to go .....
Pro-Life women as evidence that Pro-Lifers cant all hate women is not an 'opinion'... it is a refutation, one which you have ignored. Adoption as an alternative to abortion is a refutation to your position that Pro-Lifers 'dont care about the born,' not just an 'opinion.' You yourself stated that the Pro-Lifers are responding emotionally. I merely pointed out that that means they arent necessarily trying to control and punish women as you claim. Which is essentially you refuting yourself, not my 'opinion.' It certainly seems that way judging from this thread. But its also highly possible that they have tried debating with you before and just prefer to avoid the abrasion and malice of your threads altogether, leaving you with the echo chamber you seem to prefer. I have learned how and why someone can hold the mistaken beleif that *all* Pro-Lifers hate women. I previously thought that was just a roose to avoid an honest debate. But I believe that you believe it. You thusly enlightened me. I was hoping to show you how that cant be true; how some of them simply think protecting the unborn is simply *more* inportant than body autonomy. But your impassive position that everyone who disagrees with you hates women isnt conducive to 'enlightenment.' You're not even paying attention to your own thread: http://www.politicalforum.com/index...or-pro-life-men.506297/page-2#post-1067565813 Sarcastic, thinly veiled and baseless accusation. This is the sort of abrasion that might cause many to avoid commenting here.
I answered that ( and you'll deny it, and who knows, that post may have been deleted so I'll REPEAT it).... women are quite capable of being sexist and hating women... I have no idea why you think women can't be stupid or hate, they ARE humans, just like men. No, it's not...... ONLY if those "Pro-Lifers" adopt all those unwanted BORN precious lives....and they haven't, thousands of kids still in the system. What?! No, Anti-Choicers being emotional doesn't mean they aren't trying to control and punish women... their being emotional usually means they haven't any facts so have to get all upset and scream about ""murdering baaaabies""" and ""truckloads of dead baaaaabies""". If they weren't emotional they could refer to what we're discussing, embryos/fetuses.....and NOT call women murderers. Yup, it's always someone else's fault...."""Mommy , the poster scared me so I couldn't answer !!!""....do you really think men THAT weak would or could handle a pregnancy !?! Ya know, back in the 19th century when people owned slaves, many slave owners probably didn't consciously hate their slaves......it did not make a bit of difference to the slaves, they were still slaves whether their owners hated them or not, they were still raped, beaten, had their children sold...gee, it sure FELT like hate.... I'm sure some Anti-Choicers swear all they care about is the fetus...but AGAIN, once it's born and it's a pregnant woman who has a legal medical procedure because she can't afford or doesn't want, a kid..... they don't think she's a "precious life". "my own thread?? Where did I start a thread ???? Are you saying you would ? ....fine, that 's ONE. So? (shrug) ....I'm not responsible for others, posting habits...
