Relax; its just a discussion. It is always an honor to meet someone willing to be part of the solution. Most just want to talk. We need more people like you! Thats still an answer!
Are you kidding me?! If I could bring a life into this world and have that connection with my child, yes absolutely permitting that my body is capable of carrying a baby to viability. Absolutely. I have always been quietly jealous of the relationships women have with their children. For the experience alone, hell yes I'd do that.
They aren't if you answer honestly. If you wouldn't you likely admire women for carrying this burden. If you would, you likely view the burden as worth it.
Good, but do you know all the ramifications of pregnancy? The permanent damage to your body? All the possible side effects including death? The way your life will be "on hold" forever? It isn't only food cravings and getting fat with a few stretch marks as the aftermath...... ....and men can have extremely good, close relationships with their children but it takes time, effort, understanding, patience, kindness, empathy, awareness of other's needs.....it isn't just pregnancy that gives people a good relationship with their children...
A) Then why have abortion rights supporters in the past innumerable times (including President Clinton and his wife) have said they want "abortion to be safe, legal,........and rare" EXACT QUOTE. If they prefer that abortion be rare even if legal and safe it is reasonable to assume that even these abortion rights supporters see abortion as being a fundamentally bad thing. B) Why the assumption that a person cannot be "pro life" if they do not support innumerable government social programs? You know there are ways to assist people in need without a federal program. C) Why do you and others claim they are interested in "controlling and punishing women"? I see nothing in the anti abortion movement that is intended to restrict sexual conduct or sexual choices. Nothing whatsoever.
It could cost me my life. I could pay the ultimate price but a child of my own would be the ultimate reward. I risk the ultimate price to drive to a movie theater. Statistics indicate that traffic related injury or death is much more common than injury or death related to pregnancy and two hours of pew pew pew is much less of a reward than a lifetime of fulfillment. I'll gladly accept the risk. If i could I would. Having children is something I've wanted since i was a little boy. Even as a father my life would be effected. That isn't putting my life on hold that is living for something. Worth it. I didn't say I couldn't have a good relationship as a father. I said I was always quietly jealous of the bond of motherhood. That is something a man can never know. That child didn't grow inside us. But strictly hypocritically speaking, if my partner was female and humans could pick which one carried the young I'd likely volunteer. I am by nature a protector and pregnancy is risky.
I have no idea why they said that, I would have to ask them as I can't read their minds. I don't care how many abortions there are as long as every woman who wants one, gets one. There may be but without the government the poor would be hurting. IF it was true that other citizens could support all those programs the government wouldn't see the need. It's a fantasy world where the wealthier people support the poor on their own.... You can't be "Pro-Life" when you want social programs that help children to have their funding cut as the Repubs do. Uh, DUH, it's about controlling abortion, abortion is the issue not sexual conduct...and you must know that or are you trying to be "clever"...and failing...
I mention food craving, getting fat and stretch marks and you state it worth it as if that's the only thing you will experience !!!! Here's the truth: Normal, frequent or expectable temporary side effects of pregnancy: exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks) altered appetite and senses of taste and smell nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester) heartburn and indigestion constipation weight gain dizziness and light-headedness bloating, swelling, fluid retention hemmorhoids abdominal cramps yeast infections congested, bloody nose acne and mild skin disorders skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen) mild to severe backache and strain increased headaches difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping increased urination and incontinence bleeding gums pica breast pain and discharge swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint paininfection including from serious and potentially fatal disease (pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases) extreme pain on delivery hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section -- major surgery -- is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover) Normal, expectable, or frequent PERMANENT side effects of pregnancy: stretch marks (worse in younger women) loose skin permanent weight gain or redistribution abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life -- aka prolapsed utuerus, the malady sometimes badly fixed by the transvaginal mesh) changes to breasts increased foot size varicose veins scarring from episiotomy or c-section other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty) increased proclivity for hemmorhoids loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis) higher lifetime risk of developing Altzheimer's newer research indicates microchimeric cells, other bi-directional exchanges of DNA, chromosomes, and other bodily material between fetus and mother (including with "unrelated" gestational surrogates) Occasional complications and side effects: complications of episiotomy spousal/partner abuse hyperemesis gravidarum temporary and permanent injury to back severe scarring requiring later surgery (especially after additional pregnancies) dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses -- 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele) pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies) eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death) gestational diabetes placenta previa anemia (which can be life-threatening) thrombocytopenic purpura severe cramping embolism (blood clots) medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby) diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication) serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis) hormonal imbalance ectopic pregnancy (risk of death) broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone") hemorrhage and numerous other complications of delivery refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures) severe post-partum depression and psychosis research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease Less common (but serious) complications: peripartum cardiomyopathy cardiopulmonary arrest magnesium toxicity severe hypoxemia/acidosis massive embolism increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease (like a pregnancy-induced cancer) malignant arrhythmia circulatory collapse placental abruption obstetric fistula More permanent side effects: future infertility permanent disability death.
Death is the ultimate price and it's worth that. All worth it. Life is risk. I could die picking up ****ing tacos. Health deteriorates no matter what. Yes all the risks, are worth it. I have wanted to be a parent all my life. What else is life for?
Why not? Women know the risks and still have babies. Why would it be different for men? I don't consider any stage of raising a child "putting my life on hold". I remember many nights where I was walking up and down stairs with a screaming baby. Eventually, I always ended up with a sleeping baby in my arms and there is no feeling like that. Is that long list of issues the reason you never had children?
I'd rather have every fingernail pulled out and walk barefoot over a bed of legos than gestate and give birth.
Having children guarantees walking barefoot on legos on a regular basis! (And action figures, hotwheels, etc.)
You can't be "Pro-Life" when you want social programs that help children to have their funding cut as the Repubs do.[/quote] Why? I doubt even people who oppose social programs that "help children' actually want children to suffer or die [/quote] Uh, DUH, it's about controlling abortion, abortion is the issue not sexual conduct...and you must know that or are you trying to be "clever"...and failing...[/QUOTE] Care to elaborate? Lay it out for me.
I wasn't "in" to it. The event happened without my planning it or even thinking about it. But, once I was involved in it, the experience was far greater than words can ever express.
No, all women do NOT know all the risks and damage connected with pregnancy....and from just what I've read from men in here they haven't a clue what pregnancy entails....I have seen some posters who swear pregnancy is a little morning sickness and stretch marks.... By "putting your life on hold" I meant that from that first day of parenthood YOUR life comes second to that kid..... or it should... your wants or needs are no longer the most important thing...
They don't ?! Then why do they oppose social programs that aid poor children? Without those programs poor children suffer.....or there wouldn't be a need for those programs Sure, after I had to sort out your bad quoting mess.......Laid out: RvW/Pro-Choice is not about sexual conduct as you claimed.
Any man who has gone through a pregnancy with the woman they love at least has an idea. Do you regret not having children?
So? That has nothing to do with the post of mine you quoted, every word of which is true : """"No, all women do NOT know all the risks and damage connected with pregnancy....and from just what I've read from men in here they haven't a clue what pregnancy entails....I have seen some posters who swear pregnancy is a little morning sickness and stretch marks.... By "putting your life on hold" I meant that from that first day of parenthood YOUR life comes second to that kid..... or it should... your wants or needs are no longer the most important thing..."""" I have seen men in here post that the worst that can happen is stretch marks and one poster who thought he knew what women went through because he had to make midnight runs to Walmart to buy her something.... PUH-LEASE!
I replied to your post at face value and disagree. Your broad stroke comments are why I know you have never experienced giving birth. That makes you as clueless as you accuse men of being.
What "broadstroke " comments. Is it because I said most men don't know what pregnancy entails...well, according to you , they don't because they have never been pregnant!!!! You think no male scientists could ever know what pregnancy entails because they have never experienced it ?! So you think scientists have no idea what cancer is or does if they personally have never had it....what an extraordinary conclusion!
I explained in post 71 what I meant by putting your life on hold, rephrased it and you just refuse to acknowledge it's true... """""By "putting your life on hold" I meant that from that first day of parenthood YOUR life comes second to that kid..... or it should... your wants or needs are no longer the most important thing..."""" I see you do NOT agree..... I see you can't address : """"""Is it because I said most men don't know what pregnancy entails...well, according to you , they don't because they have never been pregnant!!!! You think no male scientists could ever know what pregnancy entails because they have never experienced it ?! So you think scientists have no idea what cancer is or does if they personally have never had it....what an extraordinary conclusion!""" ...and you think science is a "list" ! Hilarious!!!
