Having kids is a meaningful part of life. Reading your duplicate posts is putting life on hold. Thanks for not having offspring.
So you couldn't address my post so had to resort to insults, a sure sign you lost I explained in post 71 what I meant by putting your life on hold, rephrased it and you just refuse to acknowledge it's true... """""By "putting your life on hold" I meant that from that first day of parenthood YOUR life comes second to that kid..... or it should... your wants or needs are no longer the most important thing..."""" I see you do NOT agree..... I see you can't address : """"""Is it because I said most men don't know what pregnancy entails...well, according to you , they don't because they have never been pregnant!!!! You think no male scientists could ever know what pregnancy entails because they have never experienced it ?! So you think scientists have no idea what cancer is or does if they personally have never had it....what an extraordinary conclusion!""" ...and you think science is a "list" ! Hilarious!!!
You are entitled to your opinion, but if you need some sort of victory to feel better about yourself, I will give you one. You are 100% correct when it comes to putting your life on hold if you don't consider raising kids part of life. My feeling comes from raising 5 children and can tell you that there is no part of life more rewarding than that. I didn't address your cancer example because it is off topic, but since you are pressing me, I will tell you that I watched my mother die from cancer and you can read and study all you want; until you are touched by it, you do not fully understand. You have obviously never experienced the joy of motherhood and are therefor unqualified to advise others when it comes to risk vs reward. If anyone needs advice on being bitter and unfriendly, we know there is an expert here.
So if you "FEEL" that the sun will rise in the west, it will? Feelings have nothing to do with what happens to a woman's body during pregnancy. Your attacks on me, (against the rules), calling me bitter and unfriendly show clearly that you can't accept scientific facts in an UNemotional way... Yes, we can address cancer since it's an example of what you are trying to say, that NO one can know about their body until they experience it. And I showed that's untrue since scientists/doctors KNOW about pregnancy and/or cancer without having experienced it.... I can't explain every function of a body but I have one and it works fine....WITHOUT me knowing every detail... Now flame on if you wish but it only spotlights that you are mistaken in your view.
That's because you are narrow minded, and you don't like the idea of the real language. I'll explain life is a choice. I would prefer the mother be able to choose life without pressure from anyone else. That's being pro-choice and pro-life. The opposite of pro-life is anti-life or Pro death. I don't think anyone who claims to be pro-choice really is. I think they're anti-life. Because if you were pro-choice you would like in the idea of choices. But no funding only for Planned Parenthood no funding for pregnancy crisis centers, no funding for anything that doesn't result in the death of a child in the womb. That's just one choice.
Hey, a little respect for "life" please...stop with the insults.. Yes a pregnant woman ( a woman isn't a mother until she gives birth) shouldn't receive pressure from Anti-Choicers nor Pro-Choicers... THAT is being pro-CHOICE. Well, since "Pro-Life" doesn't always mean someone is pro EVERYONE'S life , that won't work......so Pro-CHOICE is the way to go....it gives women the same freedoms and rights YOU enjoy. . Why? Because they want women to enjoy the same freedoms and choices YOU have? That's ANTI life?????????? . So you're not Pro-Choice since you want to take away women's right to chose. What! Want to read that back to yourself and try to explain it??? OOOh, someone doesn't know what "choice " means. First if there is only one option there is NO choice.
Insults? If you're insulted by the truth that's not me insulting you. the choice between life and death isn't a choice. Also do you know why women have abortions? Say versus putting a child up for adoption? You don't think it might be in most cases a boyfriend or parents pressuring her? That's not a choice either. Invent whatever language you want about killing babies in the womb to help you sleep at night, but fundamentally it is killing a baby in the womb. Do you know the number of women who regret it and feel guilty? It didn't the mean old bad Boogeyman pro-lifers makeing them feel bad. They paid somebody to kill their baby. Abortion only is not a choice it's the absence of choice. Choice would be yes you can kill your baby but there are all these other options if you're not equipped and ready to deal with motherhood. How often do those options come up? Further I'm pro life Above All Things. The opposite of pro-life is not pro-choice life is a choice it's anti life. And he told me I couldn't be pro-life and pro choice. I'm against the only choice being death. yeah I've heard this bologna rhetoric before. Pro-life people aren't really pro-life. Wentz just a attempt to assassinate the character of pro-life activism. But abortion is death death isn't a choice. Where are all the other choices that involve life? And no this gives women more freedom than men. If a woman wants to kill my child in the womb I have no say. If a woman decides she's ready to be a parent I have no say. This is not equality. first off I don't have any right to kill a child in the womb I never did. And what would you tell a man who accidentally got a girl pregnant but didn't want to be a father? "Well you should have thought about that before you did it." But that same thing doesn't apply to women. Men have to carry all the forethought but women don't. Women can even entrap men by sabotaging birth control. Before you go off with the same Cadence used to pass this s*** off as something necessary I know you're automatically going to bring up rape pregnancy. So I'm going to ask you show me the statistics of women who had abortions because the baby was a result of rape. Killing is always anti life. because here what you really mean is anti-life you're just using Code words to hide the callousness of that yes I'm not "pro -choice" but outside of pretty language I am pro-choice I want choices for women. Choices that don't result in the death of their baby. If you argue for death or nothing your anti-life. what I'm saying there is that pro-choice as you claim it isn't choice. It's Planned Parenthood which is just a kill Factory. What choice do they offer besides kill or **** off? yes you have a hard time with the concept of choice. This Holocaust has been sold to you as women's rights. The pro-choice concept politically speaking only offers one choice and that's death. One choice isn't a choice, I absolutely 100% agree with you here.
I didn't call you bitter and unfriendly; I said we have an expert here. If you identify with those terms, that's on you. After you called men clueless when it comes to pregnancy, I simply pointed out that you are a pot calling a kettle black. Asking men if they would be willing to carry and give birth has nothing to do with science and you know it. To make a statement like "Feelings have nothing to do with what happens to a woman's body during pregnancy." you expose yourself as more clueless since the changes to the body are always accompanied by changes in feelings since the brain and body are connected. (At least for most of us!)
This is not a thread about insecurities, but we can start one of you need some confirmation as to your masculinity.
The very suggestion is loaded and inane. Here's why: You only propose the absurd question with the idea that it is a "gotcha!" moment. It can NEVER be made possible, and nobody in his right mind would do so, any more than "If you had to pay for the support of someone for eighteen years after you saved their life, would you save them?" Butchering innocent, unborn babies is currently only practiced BECAUSE the U.S. Supreme Court accepted perjured testimony, from Norma McCorvey, that she had been raped. Therefore the decision is illegal because the evidence was tainted. Moreover, the reason for attempting to justify the murder of a growing infant was "privacy." This completely obliterates the rights of the father, who might want to have and hold his own child, but has no "CHOICE." It obliterates the rights of two grandmothers and two grandfathers, who might CHOOSE to have and hold THEIR grandchild, but have no CHOICE. And most importantly of all, it disregards the CHOICE of the baby being murdered. Slavery was previously legal in America. That did not make it right either. And Democrats fought a war to keep slavery. That's how savage the Democratic Sharia Party is even today. Black slaves were nothing to the DSP but property. Unborn babies are nothing to the DSP but garbage. |____________________________________________________________________________| Moment of conception............................................................................................ Moment of birth Draw a vertical line on this 9 month period of infant growth inside its mother's womb, and split the second, at the right, where you state it cannot be killed, and at the left, where it can. State your reason for choosing this particular second.
Oh how clever of you....but you're inability to lose your emotions and deal on a factual logical level is exposed. No, it isn't, I know what pregnancy involves and so do doctors and scientists, men in here don't seem to....and I am using their ignorant posts as proof. You can deny that men in here have downplayed what pregnancy does but again that's because you operate off emotion and not facts and logic (nor the men's posts claiming pregnancy is nothing more than morning sickness and stretch marks.) So you don't want non-biased informed answers, you want EMOOOOOOOtional answers...are men so emotional they don't want the facts or can't face the truth? I hope you're being deliberately obtuse here. Because that isn't what I meant and I think you know it but are too embarrassed(and rightfully so) to admit that no matter what a person feels they can't change science or biology or physiology.....and what that all does to a pregnant woman...
I'll ignore your flamebaiting about "butchering unborn babies.......but thanks for proving that emotions play a big part in men's attitude to abortion....completely ignoring facts and logic. Roe v. Wade basically just reaffirmed Griswold v. Connecticut - right to privacy under the 14th Amendment and the 9th Amendment. Roe v Wade does not stand on it's own, it is also a compilation of numerous right to privacy cases. The principal thrust of appellant's attack on the Texas statutes is that they improperly invade a right, said to be possessed by the pregnant woman, to choose to terminate her pregnancy. Appellant would discover this right in the concept of personal "liberty" embodied in the Fourteenth Amendment's Due Process Clause; or in personal, marital, familial, and sexual privacy said to be protected by the Bill of Rights or its penumbras, see Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479 (1965); Eisenstadt v. Baird, 405 U.S. 438 (1972); id., at 460 (WHITE, J., concurring in result); or among those rights reserved to the people by the Ninth Amendment, Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S., at 486 (Goldberg, J., concurring). - From the Decision.
No, you insulted another poster.....why so emotional? Facts got you upset? YES, because they want to....and it's none of your business if they do WHY, against all REASON and logic, do Anti-Choicers insist that I need help sleeping? I have NO problem with abortion or women's right to have them.... No, it's killing a fetus in the womb........and it DOES NOT matter how many women feel bad...that does not give anyone the right to take away the rights of the millions of women who only felt relief or the millions of women who will want abortions in the future... GEE, If a woman feels bad about not getting a raise will you go to her employer and fight for her raise???? Will you do that for a sad women??? It is a CHOICE. I am sorry byou have no idea what "choice" means.... So you think all women are soooooo stupid they have no idea what their options are? WOW You are in for a surprise...women can read and write and do all the things you can!!! REALLY, they aren't as stupid and malleable as you think!!! While this IS getting boring your inability to look up what "choice " means is really slowing you down... No, men also do NOT have to use their body to sustain the life of another ...equalality... Women have to carry all the babies but men don't.....I don't hear you complaining about that !! Ya, so? Men can lie about their condom not having holes in it....nothing to do with abortion. Hard to understand what "off with the same Cadence used to pas this off" actually means ....but I never brought up rape. Did you NOT know that some of your "Pro-Lifers" believe abortion should be allowed in the case of rape? I haven't seen anyone do that.....maybe it was a dream you had .... They offer birth control assistance, cancer screenings, STD care, prenatal care ...abortion is 3% of their business...maybe you should READ and learn before spouting... Again , a monumental inability to understand what the word choice means and the insistence that women are too stupid to know what their choices are...
You are very observant. It was a loaded question. The purpose of the question was to find a few males who would voluntarily do what they would force others to do. Most of the time, I find that pro-lifers only seek the appearance of caring for human life, but run at the first sign of taking part in the solution. In this thread, I found a few people who have actually fostered and adopted children and it was refreshing to hear people walk the walk. You appear to care about human life from reading your words. What have you actually done for these precious humans?
I am neither embarrassed nor emotional. There is a mild level of amusement from your desperate attempts to divert attention from your own hypocrisy. This is a discussion for those who don't have the option of being pregnant, but would if it would save a life. You had the option but chose not to. (I realize I may be wrong about you having the option and am willing to admit I am wrong about that.)
I suppose he can take it as an insult I have no control over that. But I don't mince words. The opposite of pro-life is anti- life. That's a fact. Rejection of that fact is willful illiteracy. I dare you to disagree. Every time I get someone with a poor ideology backed against the wall. They always lash out like a cornered animal and suggest I have emotional problems. I guess facts can't be true if they come from a poisonous tree? Very biblical of you. yeah... sure it's only cuz they want to it's impossible to trick as scared young person into believing they're doing something because they want to. I mean churches and synagogues and mosques are full of people that just wanted to be there. will the assumption is that most humans are decent and even if they would agree with a woman having an abortion if they're in a predicament they would want to see it killing an unborn bay of a last resort. But apparently some folks see them as human Pez dispensers. a fetus is a human with an independent heartbeat and neurology. You can call it ***** s*** but it doesn't change the fact that that's a life that isn't the woman's who is carrying it. I'm not talking about taking rights away never mentioned that. I've only ever been talking about choice. no that isn't equality. I felt bad because I didn't get a raise nobody stepped up for me. If they want to be seen as equal to men in every way they need to be. And I'll tell them exactly what I was told, in the interest of equality. Stop your blubbering gain some self-respect and if you think you're worth more go out there and take it. Nobody is going to help you. calling the kettle black here. So what options did Planned Parenthood offer besides kill your baby? F*** off isn't an option. no I'm empathetic to women and care about them more than some dumb political crap. I've known women who got pregnant they were terrified. The one that told me before her parents would have believed anything I told her. She was scared. She was 17 at the time and my heart broke for her. I convinced her she wasn't alone and I told her what ever happened it's all her choice. I convinced her to talk to her mom. And if her mom threw her out she had a home with me as long as she needed. She told me her and her her mom disgust abortion. And when she said that to me tears welled up in her eyes. She didn't know what to do and no I don't think it's cuz she's stupid I think it's because the effort is to trick them into only one option meaning no choice. I don't know why you're telling me how stupid your strawman is. I didn't make that statement. there is only one choice at Planned Parenthood and it's death. That isn't a choice. And if my tax dollars have to go to fund it I think it should damn well offer some more choices. men never will so it's going to be inequal throughout the remainder of the species. Killing babies in the womb won't change that. There are a lot of things men can do that women can't. because it's a stupid thing to complain about. If men can just think ahead so can women. Equality. Would it be considered rape or at least sexual dishonesty? Should it be a crime? I'd say yes. Wow, i really don't care what other people think that aren't part of this argument. If all you want to do is effect you're canned pro choice arguments against me, keep in mind I never once said we should overturn Row v. Wade. So before you go off at the mouth, arrest your indignation. Okay, so you believe there should be federal funding supported efforts to show a woman her choices part of all of this? You can get any of those services anywhere else. Planned Parenthood may offer plenty of things, but most of their function is killing babies. It isn't a business. You keep saying that, where are you coming up with it?
And now it's my "hypocrisy" which I'm sure you invented in your emotional state where everything is FEEEEEEElings with no facts or logic daring to raise their heads... Can you admit that no matter what a person feels they can't change science or biology or physiology.....and what that all does to a pregnant woman...? Again, if you FEEL that the sun will rise in the west, will it? So far, from what you wrote , your answer has to be , yes.
I think you are taking the fight to the pro-abortion crowd. The only thing I want to add to this is that we could seriously make a dent with abortion if we gave women and either / or option: 1) We ignore the fact that a woman could not get pregnant without the aid of a man. And so men become nothing more than sperm donors and a financial revenue generating resource for the "woman's" baby. What if the law gave the man an equal say in the future of the unborn child 2) If the father has no say and the baby is the merely property of the woman, the courts could say, your body, your baby, your problem. If women could no longer look to the man for support; if they could not depend upon the government and insurance for covering their hospital costs, wouldn't they be a little more diligent about spreading their legs?
There is no "pro-Abortion" crowd....there are Pro-Choice people who believe women should have all the rights everyone else has... Sorry, slavery is illegal.... oh, the man can say all he wants but it's still the woman's body, not his (nor yours). Did you really mean "diligent about spreading their legs" ?? The FETUS is the property of the woman. The ensuing baby is the issue. Yes, the COURTS go after men to help pay for the CHILD so taxpayer's don't have to. Men have a choice, they could just not unzip Sad to see a Pro"lifer" like you want funding taken from children, those "precious lives"....
I did not invent your claim that men were clueless. They can read the same list you did. There is a difference between knowledge and understanding. You showed the same lack of understanding you accused men of. BTW, the sun does not rise; we rotate towards it. I watched this happen from the top of Haleakala and it was beautiful. Nah, you could just read about it. Same thing, right?
No, judging from the reactions of men in this thread and other abortion threads men, and many women, ARE clueless about what pregnancy entails. They can read the list but I've seen men read it and then say, "well, morning sickness and stretch marks are no reason to not have a kid"...THAT is "clueless". Just because you choose to ignore what they say doesn't mean I'm wrong. The question in the OP can only have biased answers if men have no clue what they'd be volunteering for. Yes, they could agree to do it based on EMOTIONS with no knowledge of what pregnancy really means but that's not honest. What didn't I understand? I understand what pregnancy entails, many men reject that which shows no understanding of what women go through. Again you're trying to be "clever" and falling flat..... whether one reads about something or not doesn't change the facts. You NEVER did answer how scientists and doctors know about pregnancy and cancer without ever having had either....(not clever enough? ) BTW, from the thread :"''Roe v Wade: Plaintiffs Death highlights weakening of abortion rights in US"" Post 160 : ""I'm not turning a blind eye to anything. you listed stretch marks among other things to try to justify why abortion is self defense.""
