Ranked Vote: Discussion Thread

They're only responsible for them at all if they vote for them over someone else. No?
Personally, I feel like if more people felt more responsible for the actions taken by their
elected leaders than they do now, then we'd be a whole lot better off as a country overall.

How so??

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I actually think that Ranked Voting can help out just about anywhere.
But out of curiosity, what specifically makes you think of the
2020 New Hampshire Democratic primary in particular?

 

We're not talking legal liability though, are we? We're talking about just how people feel...
their perception of responsibility from a moral standpoint. Right?

I agree, with the first part at least. And the more free a country is, the better. That's why I support Ranked Voting over Plurality. Ranked Voting frees people up to vote for who they want/who they think will do the best job as opposed to them being forced into holding their noses as they vote simply because they feel that the binary Plurality system gives them no realistic alternatives.

BTW, which third world countries are currently utilizing Ranked Voting?

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Well both really. Of course its important to have at least a little bit of fun whatever one does,
but I would definitely like to see more Plurality voting systems, including those within the U.S., be chucked in the trash and replaced by Ranked systems such as Instant Runoff and or Ranked Pairs. I'd also like it if the Congressional bodies would start using Ranked Voting for their internal votes as well (among many other changes I'd like to see there). If I had to sum up the purpose of this series in a bit more detail though, I guess the main goals would be something such as the following:

a) Find consensus and or middle-ground areas for contentious and or important issues.
b) Educate folks on the existence of and benefits of Ranked Voting via hands-on experience.
c) Find out how many people already know about Ranked Voting and what they think about it/any issues or concerns.
d) Get folks to focus more on thinking about solutions to problems rather than being immersed in endless distractions.
e) Get folks with more extreme views to moderate a little and be more open to compromise via laying out a fuller spectrum of options on any given issue.​

Absolutely agree there 100%. That's actually what I was trying to explain to liberalminority a few posts up, but I like the way that you stated it. BTW, if you're interested, there's actually a Ranked Vote going on right now regarding the Nation's (US) Top Issues as of 2020. You should come vote, especially if you're a kindred supporter of Ranked Voting!

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...eding-to-be-addressed-us-2020-edition.582885/

 

Are you suggesting that Ranked Voting will result in people being legally punished for the way they vote???
Sorry... but I just don't see how that follows... especially given that votes within the U.S. are handled via a secret ballot.

So does Ranked Voting. In fact, I'd say that a winner of a Ranked Vote is a much clearer winner than one of a Plurality Vote, because with a Ranked Vote we can be confident that the results were not tainted by things such as spoilers.

Explain what you mean... and also what you're getting at.
Its true isn't it it... that ranks relating to status and or authoritative position exist within almost any organization you can think of, including the U.S. government. But what bearing has any of this upon the topic of Ranked Voting???

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From what I can tell, China, Brazil, and France do not have Ranked Voting systems.

China appears to have a traditional Plurality system, except that its executed on a hierarchical basis rather than voters being allowed to vote for higher-level offices directly. In other words... it'd be like if we here in the U.S. voted for our house members and state governments, but then instead of us voting for the senators as well, the elected house members (or the state governments) picked the senators instead, and then those senators then subsequently voted for the president. That's what China has, and no, that isn't Ranked Voting.

Brazil and France on the other hand appear to use a standard multi-stage Run-off system. That's not Ranked Voting either, but it is at least a bit closer and carries a few of the same benefits (albeit at increased costs). So are you then suggesting that you don't even like the idea of having Runoff elections??

The link you posted here again mentions power/command and control hierarchies, but not anything about Ranked Voting... so I think there is definitely some confusion here about what Ranked Voting actually is. Note that when I say Ranked Voting, I'm not talking about the hierarchical command structure used to govern a country or the means used to determine who is eligible to participate in picking the leaders, rather what I mean by Ranked Voting is in reference to the method used during the voting process; the idea that when filling any particular role and when given multiple options (three or more) to choose between, voters are allowed to Rank all the options by preference rather than being forced to indicate only a single pick. Hopefully that clears things up a bit. Check out this thread for an example of it in action: http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/ranked-vote-what-are-the-nations-top-issues-most-needing-to-be-addressed-us-2020-edition.582885/

With that said, I also checked out India's method of choosing leaders, and it turns out they've actually been using Single Transferable Vote (STV) since 2017... which as it happens actually is a method of Ranked Voting. So that now begs the question... how have India's politics changed since adopting the STV method? What impact if any has STV had on the type of leaders that get elected there?

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Np, its the holidays after-all. Lots of stuff to attend to for a lot of folk,
even if large gatherings (hopefully) aren't among them.

Hmm... what would happen?... It depends on the specific Ranked Voting tally method chosen I suppose.
For instance, Instant Run-off is good for determining a single winner, but it really isn't all that great for
creating a cumulative ordered list past first place. A Condorcet method like Ranked Pairs or something
like Single Transferable Vote on the other hand would inform candidates on exactly how they did in
relation to every other candidate, including the ones who didn't come out on top.

Perhaps in such a vote, if a candidate were to then observe that they not only lost,
but also that they did so poorly as to come in at or near the very bottom of the overall rankings,
such a revelation might encourage/persuade them to reassess certain aspects of their policy positions
so as to be more in line with the what the voters were looking for. Well... either that or prompt them to review their campaign performance...

 

Yep. I'd certainly say that STV counts as a form of Ranked Voting.
Which again begs the question... how have India's politics changed since they adopted the STV method in 2017?
What impact if any has STV had on the type of leaders that get elected there?

Huh?

I don't think anyone has suggested that the U.S.A. should become a third world country. I certainly haven't.

BTW, did you know that the country of Guinea adopted Plurality Voting as part of their system in 2010? Tell me... since you support Plurality Voting... do you want America to look like Guinea? Do you think other Americans want America to look like Guinea??...


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What are you talking about??? There was no Ranked Voting in the U.S. 2020 elections... not at the presidential level.
Please explain how Ranked Voting has ever been used to rig an election?

 

Is that to suggest that America has the same problems as the aforementioned Guinea, a country which uses Plurality Voting?
Or that America has the same problems as our neighbor Mexico, a country which uses FPTP Plurality Voting?
Are you suggesting then that to avoid those problems, we American's should stop using Plurality Voting?

Again, can you explain how Ranked Voting has ever been used, either here in the U.S. or abroad, to rig an election?
Also, why in that previous post did you seem to suggest that Ranked Voting had a role in 2020 presidential election?
I'm still scratching my head on that one...

Uh... hey, don't know if you know this, but your first and second link there appear to make no mention of Ranked Voting.
The first one references how some African presidents rig elections, but are you aware of any African president who has
leveraged Ranked Voting specifically to rig their election??... And for that matter, do African countries even use Ranked Voting???

Your third link seems to outline how flawed our current election system is (which just to remind everyone is based on Plurality Voting), and the link points to this past 2020 presidential election as evidence of how messed up our current system is, specifically with regard to its administration. Again, why do you seem to think that Ranked Voting had any impact on the 2020 presidential election??? Naturally, I agree that the current system is flawed in many ways, not just in how elections are administered though, but in the election method itself,
which is why I support Ranked Voting and why you should too.

Your second link is just a link to the Ranked Voting Wikipedia page. :/
You quote a link on the page that mentions that the Massachusetts RP has some concerns about a potential move to Ranked Voting for their state, but with no mention of why.

No offense, but it sort of seems like you're just throwing up random links at this point...

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Just another reminder that the Top National Issues Ranked Vote thread is still ongoing.
Aiming to post the results sometime tomorrow Friday 1/8, so get votes in soon!

Ranked Vote: What are the Nation's Top Issues Most Needing to be Addressed (US)(2020-Edition)

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