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Ranked Vote: What are the Nation's Top Issues Most Needing to be Addressed (US)?

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by Meta777, May 26, 2018.

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  1. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    The Preamble.

    If you're still asking me that, does that mean you disagree with the SCOTUS interpretation of that as a sufficient basis for their ruling?

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Jun 2, 2018
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    Longshot Well-Known Member

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    What language in the constitution says that a state may not leave the treaty?
     
    Longshot, Jun 2, 2018
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    I quoted for you the justification that the SCOTUS used.
    If you're wanting to say you disagree with it, then say so, don't just pretend as if it isn't there....

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Jun 2, 2018
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    So the treaty contains no language prohibiting a state from exiting the treaty.
     
    Longshot, Jun 2, 2018
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    Meta777, Jun 2, 2018
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    Longshot, Jun 2, 2018
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    If you want to ignore the Supreme Court (and history) and try to have your state succeed, its not going to go well.

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Jun 2, 2018
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    As I said in an earlier post, the treaty contains no language that forbids any of the sovereign states from exiting.
     
    Longshot, Jun 2, 2018
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    I'm just say'in, succession hasn't worked out well in the past, and there's no indication it would work out any better if tried today.

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Jun 2, 2018
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    I'm just saying that the treaty has no prohibition on any state leaving said treaty. If you can point to such language, I'd be interested.
     
    Longshot, Jun 2, 2018
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    Yep, I hear what you're saying. If you want to know more about it though, I suggest that you should look back into the Texas v. White Supreme Court case I referenced earlier.

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Jun 3, 2018
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    Meta777, Jun 3, 2018
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    I have. It doesn't reference any language in the treaty that prohibits any of the sovereign states from exiting. The treaty doesn't contain any such prohibition.
     
    Longshot, Jun 3, 2018
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    The Law of the Land contains a Supreme Court Ruling that prohibits any state from exiting the union. Meta provided the text that the SCOTUS used to establish that what was INTENDED by the Founding Fathers was a PERPETUAL UNION of states which is probably why they did not provide an exit provision.

    The Law of the Land is not absolute and can be changed. Nothing is stopping the proposal of a Constitutional Amendment defining the conditions under which a state may exit the union. Such an Amendment could be passed by Congress, signed into law and then ratified by 2/3rds of the states thereby providing a means by which one or more states might chose to exit.

    However under the CURRENT Law of the Land there is NO PROVISION by which any state can leave the union.
     
    Derideo_Te, Jun 3, 2018
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    So you also can't provide the language in the treaty that prohibits any state from leaving the union.
     
    Longshot, Jun 3, 2018
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    I'll mark you down for
    C, L​
     
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    All "write-ins"? Don't want to pick any items from the list?
    ....Just want to make sure....
     
    Meta777, Jun 3, 2018
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    Thanks! I'll mark you down for
    Option 4​
     
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    Are you denying that ALL states are obliged to uphold the Law of the Land?
     
    Derideo_Te, Jun 4, 2018
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    Nope. Try putting different words in my mouth.
     
    Longshot, Jun 4, 2018
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    In which case the CURRENT Law of the Land does NOT provide any means for a state to exit the union.

    End of story.
     
    Derideo_Te, Jun 4, 2018
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    Does the treaty that the states ratified have any language forbidding a state from leaving?
     
    Longshot, Jun 4, 2018
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    Hey folks,

    Here are the votes I have recorded so far (21 in total!)
    J,O,P,Q
    S,T,U,V,W,X,J,Y,Z
    0,9
    8,J,N,7,6,L
    C,L
    5,4,T,3,&,U,V,A,2,M
    D,Y,T,G,3,M,2,GlobalHumanRightsAndDemocracy,A,$,1,#
    8,J,2,M,%,C,B,Q,7,X,6,3,K,L,E,F,9,G,U,D,Y,A,5,N,S,T,Z,0,V,@,&,$,O,P,1,#,H,I,R,4
    @,5,U,UnconstitutionalActsByFederalAndStatePoliticians,UnconstitutionalAgencies,UnconstitutionalLegislation,V,FederalReserveMonetarySystem
    GovernmentTooBig,R,U
    @,M,K,N,H
    J,O,P,Q,1,C
    D,A,4,C,B,%,T,Y,G,Infrastructure,@,9,3,5,&,U,R,H,#,Z,J,K,L,N,Q,2,M,O,W,1,F,E,8,X,V,$,I,P,7,S,0,6
    @,V,L,Infrastructure,G,D,A,I,&,W,K,Q,O,J,4,B,M,2,S
    3,X,4,Infrastructure,A,N,D,H,T,Y,C,G,K,L,9,5
    D,Y,J,$,8,V,RemovalOfWarMonuments,PoliticalCorrectness
    B,C,D,F,H,M,9,8,4,3
    5,U
    U,4,A,B,L,C,7,9,H,K,J,3
    Outsourcing,Imports,ForeignDataControl,NaturalResourceTariffs
    4

    If you don't see one in there that looks like yours, just let me know before the final tally.
    Thanks!

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Jun 5, 2018
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    @Seth Bullock, @FoxHastings, @AlifQadr
    It looks like you all had expressed interest in voting, but just fyi,
    I don't have anything recorded for you guys at the moment ;)

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Jun 5, 2018
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  25. Seth Bullock

    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'll be able to come back to this after work today, Meta. Thanks for the reminder.
     
    Seth Bullock, Jun 5, 2018
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