Republicans and Trump supporters need to apologize to America

She was a nobody, you sure as hell can't compare her to Killimnick and Manafort and the President cohorting with spies in the WH without any US personnel present or talking with Putin secretly.

Give me a break.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nichol...n-to-a-suspected-chinese-spy/?sh=365d3f282050

Y'all seriously need to apologize for electing Trump, he's a walking threat to national security.

 

You can ****ing sink a ship in a hellavu less time than four months.

Get a grip.

Trump is a threat to national security, fighting him every step of the way is the ONLY patriotic thing to do.

 

The facts are that more were estimated to die if he did nothing. Also, anyone protecting the Communist Chinese Party for their actions and is willing to throw many Americans on the cross to do so, is either a foreign enemy, or a traitor to America.

 

Lol…it’s better than living inside trump’s ass.
The mindless worship of a malignant narcissist is like pissing into the wind.

 

I think that trump was a quisling and he was terrified of what putin had on him.

 

Like Trump fans were ever going to vote for Hillary anyway. And that assumes that was purpose which it need not of been. All in all you have supposition and little else and let's not forget Trump fired Manafort for incompetence in August of 2016.

 

There has been a number of letters from the FEC that clarified that help or information from a foreign national is perfectly legal unless cash money exchanges hands or the help provided is of a value that can be clearly and directly monetized. The only violation of this rule that I am aware of during the 2016 campaigns was by Hillary Clinton in paying cash for the dossier. Manafort certainly was not. No cash was exchanged and nobody knows what if any help the Trump campaign received from the Russians so there is no way to monetize it..

 

BS, all though Biden is doing a damn good job.

 

OK, I see the analogy. Akin to voter fraud in the 2020 election, isn't it?

 

Thanks a lot I needed to start my day off with a laugh.

 

You sure have an imagination.

 

Obama shared information with Kilimnik. When do we arrest Obama for Rushan Clooshun?

 

I Haven’t been in here for a while. Are you still in here? I mean, it ironclad that you have been wrong all a long and should be apologizing to the planet for helping the Ho & Joe.

 

Truth don't matter to lefty they believes what their told no matter how idiotic.

 

Palin?

 

Wrong. "The legal concept of a “thing of value” is not unique to the Act. The words “thing of value” “are found in so many criminal statutes throughout the United States that they have in a sense become words of art,” wrote the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit. “The word ‘thing’ notwithstanding, the phrase is generally construed to cover intangibles as well as tangibles.” Federal courts have consistently applied an expansive reading to the term “thing of value” in a variety of statutory contexts to include goods and services that have tangible, intangible, or even merely perceived benefits, for example: promises, information, testimony, conjugal visits, and commercially worthless stock."

Congrats on keeping the streak alive.

 

No, correct. You are wrong; I am not wrong. The FEC Act is very clear and even gives specific examples. Value regarding interchange with foreign nationals in a campaign must be readily, clearly, and directly monetized, i.e. easily converted to precise dollars, or it is not in violation of the Act. If a foreign national offers advice, information, or an opinion to a campaign but does not receive cash in return, that is not in violation of the law because there is no reasonable way his help can be directly monetized. If a foreign national runs a catering business and offers to cater a campaign headquarters meeting, that help would be deemed "of value" in the parlance of the FEC because it can be easily and directly monetized by looking at what he charges for the exact thing thing to company X.

 

The "court of public opinion"......why we rely on "real" courts.

 

Wow! Do you think we might even escape the guillotine?

 

Sorry, Patricio, with slobber-slinging like this you’re the one needing to get a grip. Trump’s not the one sacrifice national sovereignty and independence to a gaggle of loose cannon countries.

 

Odd that nobody was troubled by Obama working with Kilimnik (the only "Russian" that matters in these claims). And it's a far stretch to say that Trump's campaign "colluded" with Russia. That conclusion skips numerous unproven steps altogether.

 

I'm confused by this. We've known that Manafort shared polling data with a Ukrainian oligarch for years now, so why are you treating this as breaking news? There doesn't seem to be any new evidence that the Russians used that for some sort of Facebook targeting based on Manafort's polling. Do you have a link for that?

 

Democrats have known that for years, going back as far as 2012-2013. Kilimnik, after working with Obama's State Department for years, only became an issue after he was the only Russian Democrats could name who was connected in some Rube Goldberg type way to the Trump campaign. Other allegations of Muh Rushans were made, and all were never shown to have any substance:

Trump Tower Russian - actually a Democrat plant
The Alpha Bank server issue - debunked as nonsense
Russian prostitutes from which the Pee Pee Dossier got its name - debunked as unprovable bar talk

 

I assumed that this thread was based on some new information but it still seems like the same crazy conspiracy talk from 4 years ago.

This thread should be moved to the conspiracy section.

 

I think what we weren't sure about, but was assumed, was whether Kilimnik passed the data to the Russian government. Now we know.

WASHINGTON — The Biden administration revealed on Thursday that a business associate of Trump campaign officials in 2016 provided campaign polling data to Russian intelligence services, the strongest evidence to date that Russian spies had penetrated the inner workings of the Trump campaign.

The revelation, made public in a Treasury Department document announcing new sanctions against Russia, established for the first time that private meetings and communications between the campaign officials, Paul Manafort and Rick Gates, and their business associate were a direct pipeline from the campaign to Russian spies at a time when the Kremlin was engaged in a covert effort to sabotage the 2016 presidential election.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/15/us/politics/russian-intelligence-trump-campaign.html

Which is why every Trump devotee who makes specious claims to this day about the Russia hoax is unwittingly telling a lie. I say unwittingly because their news sources aren't telling them the truth.