Republicans and Trump supporters need to apologize to America

Still waiting (and I’ll die before a liberal here acknowledges the facts) for a legitimate, honest response to the pre-Carter Page FISA spying that was being done. And that should piss off every American, that political operatives can search the NSA database and read your emails and listen to your phone calls without any warrant at all.

Still AWOL today - the name of the contractors Mike Rogers found to be illegally searching the NSA database.

Does any liberal here really object to disclosing and prosecuting those contractors?

 

Thank you for confirming my point that you do not know what you are talking about.

Moreover, you don't even know how to properly apply a metaphor, which further confirms my point.

 

No proof Russia “used it” to benefit Trump. Nor is there any proof Trump benefitted from contributions by foreign nationals. For Christ’s sake, Obama took years to return illegal foreign donations he received. And we have proof of that, whereas you don’t.

 

Address the points raised next time. Also, include all the facts in your next Muh Rushan Clooshun Hoax post.

Thanks.

 

If there were sufficient protections in place to insure vote integrity and the legal processes for changing voting procedures were properly respected, Trump would not have been able to play on those pre-existing fears.

 

Massive exaggeration and overstatement on your part.

"worst president ever"???

Worse that LBJ that lost nearly 60,000 American troops fighting a war he didn't even believe in?
Worse than Andrew Johnson who helped set the stage for 100 years of massive resistance among southern whites to racial cooperation?
Worse than Richard Nixon who destroyed Americans faith in the U.S. federal government for decades?
Worse than Buchanan and/or Pierce that helped set the stage for a devastating Civil War that killed more than 600,000 people

You can't seriously claim that Donald Trump was a worse president than those four/five ?

 

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pot,_meet_kettle

it was YOUR premise that was flawed.

 

But that changes nothing about the story. It doesn't make Manafort a Russki spy nor does it make anything about your Russian collusion story true. Particularly compared to what @21Bronco posted in #95 which could fairly be characterized as an Obama official passing on sensitive government information to the same contact you were freaking out about.

 

A lot of words there to prove nothing, and assume much.

 

No Trump didn't undermine crap leftist did that by fighting every attempt to examine numerous irregularities in the last election.

 

No, it isn’t. Just not aligned with loony left nonsense.

Probably because I don’t regurgittate the crap LW windbangs blow.

I’m not sure why I should bother. It always seem to elicit nonsensical “LW Nuh-uhs” from you.

 

Let's just say for a moment that everything goes your way.... Trump is reinstated as president, the Democratic Party is no more, the Republican Party is unopposed, Republicans hold 98% of all offices with no hope of any other party driving them out.

How do you imagine YOUR LIFE changing? How would it be different?

 

first off why would I want Trump "reinstated" (which is utterly impossible). I loathe the man and never wanted him as president to begin with.

 

It never was a problem, all Trump did was AMPLIFY what was never a problem until it became an imaginary problem in the minds of a malleable flock.

See? There will always be irregularities, and no amount of any new politics will change that fact. Remember hanging chads ? That was yesteryear's problem, not a problem this time, but this time around there are new problems. There will be more we never thought of in the next election. The problems were always fixed but

****ING QUIETLY

As in no moron president stoking the fires of hatred bias and chaos and undermining democracy.

 

War is hell. War mistakes are like 'hindsight is 20/20" this won't be the reason for judging a presidency, there's a lot more to a presidency than this.

That would have happened in the south no matter what. It's still going on with the memory of Jackson long gone for most folks.

If you are going to accuse me of exaggerating, then don't do it yourself. Perhaps you are unaware that I'm 70 years old and remember
the Nixon Years. We got over him right quick, a lot sooner than that.

You really can't judge men of an era whose customs, beliefs, values were radically different than they are now and use them as a measure for the current. I'm thinking 20/21st Century, for the most part.

Because he is the combination of incompetence, ignorance and buffoonery completely unseen in modern history.. I'm not judging on failures alone, I judging on fitness for office. He's just not up to the job doesn't understand it's demands.

That being said:

Nothing beats the undermining of democracy on a level hitherto unseen in history. Millions of Americans believe 'Democrats stole the election" and that is because The President Of The United States using the biggest megaphone in the world, hollered "The only way Democrats can win the election is if they rig it" long before the first ballot was ever cast. Not only that, he continues pushing this lie.

That is a serious injury in an American core value: Democracy.

Without democracy, you have NOTHING. Not even a country to even declare a war in.

Let's consider the mindboggling ignorance of Trump, this is from the National Review

National Review: Maggie Haberman Is Right

https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/06/maggie-haberman-is-right/

Two days ago, the New York Times’s Maggie Haberman reported that Donald Trump “has been telling a number of people he’s in contact with that he expects he will get reinstated by August.” In response, many figures on the right inserted their fingers into their ears and started screaming about fake news.

Instead, they should have listened — because Haberman’s reporting was correct. I can attest, from speaking to an array of different sources, that Donald Trump does indeed believe quite genuinely that he — along with former senators David Perdue and Martha McSally — will be “reinstated” to office this summer after “audits” of the 2020 elections in Arizona, Georgia, and a handful of other states have been completed. I can attest, too, that Trump is trying hard to recruit journalists, politicians, and other influential figures to promulgate this belief — not as a fundraising tool or an infantile bit of trolling or a trial balloon, but as a fact.

The scale of Trump’s delusion is quite startling. This is not merely an eccentric interpretation of the facts or an interesting foible, nor is it an irrelevant example of anguished post-presidency chatter. It is a rejection of reality, a rejection of law, and, ultimately, a rejection of the entire system of American government. There is no Reinstatement Clause within the United States Constitution. Hell, there is nothing even approximating a Reinstatement Clause within the United States Constitution. The election has been certified, Joe Biden is the president, and, until 2024, that is all there is to it. It does not matter what one’s view of Trump is. It does not matter whether one voted for or against Trump. It does not matter whether one views Trump’s role within the Republican Party favorably or unfavorably. We are talking here about cold, hard, neutral facts that obtain irrespective of one’s preferences; it is not too much to ask that the former head of the executive branch should understand them?


Apparently so, but the more important fact is we had a President whose delusion is quite startling and who ignorance on something so basic to civics, one which a cursory study on the internet, with aids, could have told him that this is all a waste of time, but he's totally ignorant of it, and the ignorance is great it's unlike any we have seen in a President of the United States.

It is for that IGNORANCE, let alone his total lack of ability to articulate, bordering on buffoonery, his overall unfitness for the job, his total disregard of the rule of law, separations of powers, lack of caring for what they even mean, his corruption, nepotism, and overall awefulness, well, simply put, indeed, he is the worst president in the United States.

That he didn't do more damage beyond imagination, consider America was just lucky we got through it without even more damage.. But, the simple fact that confidence in the elections has been undermined to a degree we've never experienced in America, and that is Democracy undermined by Donald Trump, who is still doing it.

He is still doing it, and that is the point.

 

No, I never said that. Follow the conversation, I've already answered this.

 

I think the article in the NR makes a valid point.

You're rebuttal doesn't refute the premise offered.

What, you're lazy?

 

No, Trump and his minions failed to prove their case.

And why did they fail to prove their case? Because they had no case in the first place, Trump is just making **** up.

Trump has been undermining the elections since the day he hollered 'the only way Democrats can win the election is if they rig it".

That is why they shouted

STOP THE STEAL.

And who was stealing?

No one.

That's undermining democracy. What, are you blind?

 

And it was really really easy to counter. And screaming there's nothing there isn't how you do it.

 

Nobody that I know. I don't know anybody that thinks OJ was innocent of murder either. But those are deflections.

 

Dem operatives completely removed integrity and vote safe guards in dozen of states. Including the five counties that gave the election to Biden. It does not help that the five counties in question have long had reputations as cheat central.

 

He didn't sink a ship. He committed financial crimes.

What sort of threat? He has no political power.

 

It would be worse. There is nothing worse than one party rule.

 

Those fears (as you put them) didn't exist until Trump created them with false accusations. "If there were sufficient protections in place to insure vote integrity......" There were, hence the most secure election in history with high turnout. Anything else?

 

He doesn't? McConnell, after admitting Trump was responsible for the Jan. 6 riot, said he would still support Trump for prez. Don is clearly perceived as being an essential participant in the next election cycle supporting Repubs for them to be able to take back Congress. No political power......that's absurd.