Russia stands by Le Pen

Against democracy, absolutely, but the real goal is to fragment the West - to spread chaos and petty nationalism to induce friction in the West.

 

Yes, I've tried to say the same. The pro russian consortium here think otherwise.

 

Where did THAT drivel come from?
Putin respecting cultural differences?

 

Keep telling yourself that, but the Russians did not spearhead this revolution, and this revolution will continue until we break the backs of globalists trying to control the wealth for 1% of the nation over 99% of them.

 

When we blatantly interfered in Yeltsin's election was it because we simply wanted them to be in disarray? Partly, but national interests are more complicated than that.

The same is true with Russia's attitude toward the EU. In part they simply want the EU to stop promoting coups in their old Warsaw Pact allied states. I don't think this is an especially unreasonable request.

The battle lines have been drawn and this can go one of two ways: both Russia and the West can regain confidence in the status quote, or the situation can devolve into more proxy wars like Syria and the Ukraine followed by a global thermonuclear war.

The only people to profit off that are hegemonic powers who collect the pieces afterward, and those who are shorting Russian dash cam videos on the Russian stock market lol.

 

Just say "NO!" to drugs!

What, on earth, are you TALKING about?
Putin is probably the richest man in the world - he has bled Russia while the average Russian suffers.
What "revolution"?

 

Coups? You really think the EU is instituting coups in those countries?

The worst thing they may be doing is supporting democracy there, where Russia seeks to control and influence their politics. What the Russians have done in those countries is monstrous. The US and Europe have been standing in their way, and yes, they hate that and would love to see the US and the EU (or more specifically, NATO) weakened to the point where we can no longer oppose them.

Don't count on any nuclear war, though. Not even Russia's kleptocrats are quite that crazy or desperate.

 

The revolution all across the world of Nationalists VS Globalists. Those who would trade the wealth of US Workers overseas, to their collective paychecks such as on Cayman's Island. Trump ended up defrauding quite a bit of us, but the movement will go unhinged. Brexit was one major victory, and even if Madam Le Pen doesn't win, the National Front will have seats in the French Parliament to move them closer towards revitalizing France's economy.

Just as the 'global' world opened it up for the pro-globalists, it also opened it up for the Pro-Nationalists, that does not in any way give credence to it being a "foreign movement" but rather that we wish the success of EVERY country to break the bankers back. And the irony of the Liberal saying they're for the middle man, when they are now stelwarts of the system robbing them of their money.

After France, comes Italy's election.

 

You do know that the government in Ukraine was an American instigated coup and imposed on the majority? There is a telephone call on youtube with Nuland telling Pyatt that Yatsenuk should become the president. This is why the areas of Ukraine that are not being represented either pulled away like Crimea or are fighting to regain their freedom.

As for Georgia, when it attacked S. Ossetia they killed the Russian peacekeepers who were protecting the people of S. Ossetia as well as civilians, so Russia had every right to attack them back. You people should know by now not to believe anything written in the MSM.

 

That consortium degrades the quality of discussion here. I can understand (with difficulty) their rhetoric, but it's just clap trap. Someone claiming Putín has great respect for cultural differences ought to have some examples, a source, quotes, anthing.

Putín famously asserted a Russian right to intervene in defence of the interests of ethnic Russians living in other countries (he evidently acted on this claim in Ukraine and Crimea is his example).

Curiously Paris has an important ethnic Russian community and their history is significant, nothing like in Ukraine, but there are extensive and deep ties.

Putín just wants agitation in the EU, to weaken the institution, sow doubt on it's solidarity. He appreciates how Russia is much less important than a solid EU, but much more important than any single member.

Ukraine's change of government was not something orchestrated by the EU, the Ukrainians simply rejected the Russian model. This upsets Putín a great deal, he thinks their system is the best, Ukranians felt otherwise, they opted for a more modern and less kleptocratic model.

In the matter at hand Russia has an interest in promoting Le Pen, this could lead to "Frexit", certainly should result in a bit more confrontational a relationship between France and the EU, probably cool things with Germany. This is all to Putín's intetest.

 

Oh then you found Putin's money? Well why don't you tell the US government, they've been looking for it for a long time. I mean we're not known as criminals for nothing. With those trillions we could pay off our debts. Why we might even become debt free like Russia.

 

You're right on that, that the rhetoric of those here is difficult and yes the ukranians rejected it, most ukranians want no part of what's going on in the east, but it's rather difficult to deal and reason with these Russians. I doubt there are large numbers of rebels fighting in East Ukraine, more so regular russian army units, and I would think everyone else knows it.

 

What coups in "old Warsaw pact states" , WP doesn't exist and there's no coups, may be in ex Soviet republics.

 

It's a fascinating and quite "tricky" issue; under an expansive notion of the right to self-determination every ethnic group with historical ties to where they live can assert a credible claim to self-determination if they feel inadequately represented -but there are sensible limits.

This notion was successfully asserted by unsustainable ethnic communities in the breakup of Yugoslavia, it is claimed by Scotts, Basques ant Catalonians. There is nuance, simple ethnic difference is not enough, inadequate representation is a matter of degree.

If Putín pushes this notion too hard regarding Russian ethnics abroad he runs the risk non-Russian ethnicities in Russia may claim it too.

 

He'll come down hard on them, or try to, just like in Chechnya.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/rules.php

 

It's called the Fourth Political System by Alexander Dugan. He believes that the old systems of facism, communism and liberal democracy have failed and a new one is needed where the innate differences in cultures will be taken into account. If you read Putin's actual speeches you would know how he thinks rather than the spins and conclusions given by a compromised press.

Anyway The Russian Federation consists of 123 languages and ethnicities, and 27 languages have legal status which can be taught in school... so they are practicing what they preach otherwise there would be no federation. They have a flexible religious/political foundation which is more encompassing since it is based on the Greek/Roman Byzantine empire rather than the more structural Frank/Latin Rome. In other words they don't turn off non Europeans, and are able to live with them.

If he felt that way then he would have invaded the Baltics where the Russians are suffering under illegal apartheid systems. He intervened when asked by Crimea to save them from the illegal genocidal regime which took over the Ukrainian government. He also allows the Donbass militia to enter Russia freely for help but does not want them to separate from Ukraine.

The EU has failed for all except Germany, which has managed to do through economics what Hitler failed to do with arms. The other countries have lost their sovereignty and are all slaves now to Germany

Are you out of your mind? The government of Ukraine went from an elected mafia family, to the unelected mafia families from western Ukraine who are aligned with Nazis. 60% of the people are now below poverty level while Nuland's man Yatsenuk was kicked out for stealing, Poroshenko earnings jumped 3 fold, and Kolomoisky stole a billion from the IMF. Trump has now asked for an account of all the loans given them.

 

Funny that the ones who scream about the "rich" the loudest also support the globalist banking cabal the feircest.

 

Massive bureaucracy won't be any less massive if nationalists get into power. The country still needs to be run, and you need pen-pushers for that; lots of them. The nationalist Third Reich had the most convoluted bureaucratic set up you could imagine. There is no 'immigration onslaught'. That's what the tabloids would prefer you to believe. There is, however, a refugee crisis which was instigated by the West's idiotic meddling in Middle Eastern affairs. We can blame ourselves for that.

 

Woah, bite my ass and call me Lucy! A whole one politician out of 450 members of Duma made a twitter post about Le Pen!!!! WE ARE ALL GONNA DIIIIIIE!


...stop being hysterical and inflating a fly into an elephant, it's just a twitter post with somebody's opinion - politicians do it all the time, each election expressing support and/or giving congratulations. Way not always - from the position of state.

 

one of the best muscovite economists A. Movchan (Мовчан) gives to Muscovy maximal 10 years on the maps, oil/gas 90% of its money , and 90% of Muscovy. and nothing can save it, times of Oil/gas has gone forever, ask KSA, or Venezuela ....

 

You sound as we are in a war. Check. Up. The calendar. We are in 2017, and don't live in world of Red Alert 3. Nobody going to bombard you with bears on parachutes and singularity bombs.

 

He was not promoting nationalism. For fukety's sake, we have hundreds of various nationalities living in country. The cannot be any nationalism made on such basis.

 

Cool, and to think that just week ago you were saying we got only one year left. Couple months more - and you'll finally accept that Federation is not going anywhere at all.

 

"twitter post about Le Pen!"

http://observer.com/2016/10/putins-support-for-europes-far-right-just-turned-lethal/


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