Russia stands by Le Pen

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  1. VietVet

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    Then DeVoss is not for you. (or me)
     
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    You'd be surprised with the diversity of private schools, sure, a good portion have some denomination(not just Christianity, but Catholicism), but a vast majority are also secular. What I focus on, is the ones with the highest grades and capabilities. Just as Obama's children went to Sidney, I argue that ALL of our children deserve that same education.

    The difference is that instead of a mere argument, I'm going to do the very radical thing no one would do: Give the money from the losers to the winners, and expand it so that it becomes a reality.
     
  3. litwin

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    you will never get its an European thing, i know that you ´d ally with anyone who can give(promise) you "Syrian" Kurdistan, anyone. but you can´t understand that no one can give it to you, even Trump., "Syrian" Kurdistan is a fact, much like "Iraqi" one , like it or not... it remains me a funny story how a Kremlin thugs, believed that they could make the (Ukrainian- East Europe ) deal with the N1 democracy in the world ...so funny, such retards , you know that USA said today about Putler´s Taliban support?)
     
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    international bankers are behind every war. Politicians do nothing that is not prescribed to them by the money changers.
     
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    So right, that's why Obama loved Merkel and she him, while her country is overrun with muslim migrants.
     
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    Litwo... Westphalian order is changing the whole world. That "European thing" has come to an end. Sovereign nation-states will be dominating the globe. Did we get any promises from anyone when we started from Jerablus? No. We won't need the next time either as long as our unity, security, unitary structure, and our nation overall are threatened by those illegal puppet-state forms. Now, one more secret for you, pay close attention to the east of Euphrates because Metehan's sword will be drawn again soon. Will it end there? I don't think so. Tigris Shield is being readied as we've been piling up forces to Silopi. We'll also take out PKK in Sinjar.

    You're free to believe whatever the heck you read but the fact of the matter is, unless world war 3 is desired to be sparked out of Syria, our realities must be respected just as they are, because nobody would ever want things get to a point where US planes hit a NATO army from the bases in N. Syria to prevent Turkish army advancing! Needless to say it won't be enough to stop the army but will the US be showing such determination just to protect its puppets? Just to let you know, that'd also be a direct declaration of war to a NATO nation by another NATO nation because the conjuncture entirely changed last summer and since then, there's no "gray" areas left in Turkish American relationships for neither side. Could that sort of an action be backed in great strength by the good ole "national security" bs for convincing not only the American public but the entire world? The answer is obvious: No it could never be. That means the American military presence in those supposed cantons will never be an intimidation of any kind to a NATO member state . So, we don't need no permissions or promises from any party when the sh.t hits the fan !
     
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    Certainly, but you see how this demolishes the contention Putín recognizes, respects or supports claims of cultural identity.
     
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    Yes sure, I guess he practices"selective" claims of cultural identity.:blankstare:
     
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    I already noted there is a lot of nuance in this. In Spain we created 17 regional autonomous governments largely in response to Franco's nationalist centralization, some of those regional governments have the highest levels of self-government for a non-sovereign seen anywhere, the Catalonian government even has foreign legations.

    I don't have the details on this "Russian Federation", but I suspect there isn't anywhere near the degree of autonomy any of Spain's 17 regional governments have. A federal system will always involve some subordination and we have good examples in Germany, Switzerland and the US, where one finds varying levels of the national government's pre-emption and it's capacity to impose authority.

    I would consider a subordinate regional government's capacity to apply regional differences a good reflection of the respect it's national government's leader has for cultural identity. In Catalonia public education in Spanish is not allowed (they have litigation on this). Does that happen in the Russian Federation's subordinate members?

    Internationally recognized sovereign states with embassies and currency like Kyrgizia, Kazakstan or Belarus seem rather closely integrated and controlled from Moscow, I'm sure they exercise even greater control over their actually federated members.

    This is an ambiguous and subjective question, ultimately it involves just an honest and reasonable assessment; can people in the subordinate unit sensibly claim insdequate representation in the national government?
     
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    Well, first of all - you pretty much can just learn about the Federation, starting with Wiki and going further to more various sources with more diverse opinions.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia

    Second - I am not sure what term "insdequate" means, I am not seem to be able to find it in Google and assume there is some misspell. Generally government of Federation formed from people all over Federation, from various regions and ethnics. I am not sure if one of subjects of country can just forbid education in Russian, since it is used as a common state language, but paralelly with it exists education of other languages, along with schools where education generally given in the language spoken in the area, with Russian being just one of language studies. I am fairly sure these schools receive textbooks printed in the needed languages, it is not that hard to do.

    There de facto a certain set of laws, that allows central federal government affect work of regional governments, including, in certain circubstances, suspend a regional official. But generally subjects have, sometimes, very wide autonomy, officially or not. Between you and me, one of examples - negative, sadly - is Chechnya. After a two wars there basically hostilities been settled with some dirty behind-the-doors agreement, that apparently results in federal government barely interfering with work of republic one there, which... Gave us that golden story about gay hunt inspired by some shady islamic preachers that appeared out of nowhere, just a couple weeks after we got an act of terror in Petersburg. In the end we have politicians running around trying to at same time figure out how that fuсk-up happened and solve it all without raising much of a fuzz, and plug any media leak about a basically part of regional police participating in a chauvinistic islamic terror act. Considering that even before it was bringed to this forum I heard the story from three diffent groups of people in one evening - they definitely failing with later, and God I hope they at least are competently solving the first.
     
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    all what wee need to know about French fascists in 2017 :

    France's Marine Le Pen urges end to Russia sanctions - BBC News
    www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39375969
    Mar 24, 2017 - Ms Le Pen has garnered widespread support at home but her extreme views have deterred most foreign leaders. Russia was accused of ...


    Russia's Putin Picks Le Pen to Rule France - The Daily Beast
    www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/.../russia-s-putin-picks-le-pen-to-rule-france.htm...
    Mar 24, 2017 - French presidential candidate Marine Le Pen—anti-American, ... she came to Russia for Putin's support and she has already received it,” says ...
     
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    its a myth, for instance non of them recognized Muscovite annexations in Georgia , Moldova or Ukraine... Kyrgizia, Kazakstan moves toward china, Belarus toward EU or Intermarium...
     
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    Αθηναι? :з
     
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    A bit wee of info, laddie. Some may wanna know more.
     
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    By the way, I wonder what Le Pen and whatever party she's in did to be called ~fascists~.
     
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    "Le Pen and whatever party she's in did to be called ~fascists~." your Georgian role-model koba didn´t call himself a fascist too , so what ?
     
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    I asked you a question.
    If you can't answer, don't flood in thread.
     
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    Who told you that Front National is a fascists party? Unless you understand fascism in your own way this is not true.
     
  20. Plus Ultra

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    There are 4 basic issues that will determine whether Le Pen wins the election:

    1) How enthusiastic are the French over the prospect of five more years of the same policies they've had?

    2) Are the French generally pleased with the EU's austerity policy?

    3) Are the French generally satisfied with their economy?

    4) How do the French feel about current immigration there?

    I've asked people from France about these issues, they all are dissatisfied with the austerity measures, are concerned over their economy and it's sluggish recovery, worry about the masses of destitute immigrants in big cities -they want change.

    None of my French friends has anything nice to say about Le Pen, the National Front is associated with fascism, Le Pen's supporters are "deplorábles"! Everyone says Macrón will sweep the elections, he's expected to secure a solid mandate with over 70% of the vote.

    Reminds me of the recent election in the US.
     
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    Macron even does not have his own party and a clear program. I do not understand French people.
     
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