Russian warships bearing down on Australia

Fear of what, a nuke attack would be over quick so no need to fear that? I don't read any newspapers...... industry publications yes, media no.

 

Not to worry, it will not be long before our friends here will have that again as something to pass the time.

 

On the Chinese front, Japan now see's herself caught between a rock and a hard place. Japan started a war with China, when China was a fledgling Nation and barely able to protect itself from a strong Japanese military force. Japan got their butts kicked by the USA. See the dilemma?

 

You might see the USA as being the "one reality" of guardian angels protecting the planet, but there are hundreds of million's of people around the world with a different view, and don't see the USA on any higher moral and ethical high ground than any other country. I think the citizens of the USA might be deluding themselves somewhat in believing that the rest of the world holds a candle up to the USA as their protectors and saviors against evil Russia & China. Ask yourself how many wars and conflicts the USA has caused and created verses China & Russia, and you might begin to understand.

 

Australia has nothing to worry about.

Putin and his wee Russian Navy are too cowardly to do anything dangerous.

 

Remember a few days ago, someone was trying to discredit "get-up" and "crikey" as being biased and uncredible.

 

Problem is we have a complete dope as PM - he's stupid enough to do something dangerous himself.

 

Hopefully it was me..... those mobs were completely biased during the last few election campaigns - entirely pro-left, or rather anti-right. If you don't see it you must have been assimilated by the communists LOL

 

The LNP discredit ALP media reports, and the ALP discredit LNP media reports. Fortunately, I can see the merry-go-round that is fooling the stupid people.

 

First of all....since the United States is the Worlds Largest Economy by FAR....U.S. Economy $17.7 Trillion....China #2 at $6 Trillion.......and the U.S. is the Worlds Largest Manufacturing Nation......and more Nations invest in the United States than any other Nation.....China and Russia together are not an issue.

As far as if there is any difference between China and the U.S......YEAH! There is a BIG DIFFERENCE!!

AboveAlpha

 

What I am about to post is a FACT and the U.N. has stated as much.

Without the stabalizing Force of the U.S. Military and especially the U.S. Navy which is SOLEY RESPONSIBLE for maintaining and protecting OCEAN TRADE ROUTES...the world would quickly spiral into Chaos.

AboveAlpha

 

With all due respect. Would anyone really believe or seriously expect those retired old UN puppets to say anything negative against the USA?

 

ARE YOU KIDDING!!???

The U.N.'s pastime is to denounce the United States!!!

Look...the U.S. is certainly not perfect...but compared to the absolute CLUSTER F@%# that is the rest of the Planet....it is the ONLY NATION capable of preventing another World War.

AboveAlpha

 

Indeed. Assume the United States disappeared tomorrow. Who would fill the vacuum?

China would become the boss of the western Pacific -- unless it was a remilitarized Japan. Neither outcome would be good for Australia.

Russia would expand what it's already doing -- try to reconstitute the old Soviet Union or Warsaw Pact as a Russia-dominated sphere of puppet states, leavened with some outright conquest and annexation.

Europe might have outgrown that sort of thing -- or we might see a new arms race between France, England and Germany.

Tons of bad actors would be emboldened.

There are enough old schisms in South America that we might see a recurrence of the wars of the 1800s -- when countries like Argentina and Brazil tried to carve up Paraguay and other weaker nations.

America is far from perfect -- but really, who else would you prefer to have that kind of power?

 

ABSOLUTELY!!!

All the old Regional Conflicts would break out.

AboveAlha

 

" UN pastime to denounce the USA"? Are you kidding now, when the UN puppet nations have sanctioned every military conflict and war the US has wanted to invest in. Everytime the USA say jump, the silly old retire farts in the UN ask how high.

 

All U.N. approved Military Action must be approved by the U.N. Security Council and this council is comprised of the 5 Permanent Members of the U.N. which are Russia, China, France, U.K. and The United States....plus 2 other Revolving U.N. Nations that change periodically.

ANY....Permanent U.N. Security Council Member can VETO any Military Action.

So are you telling me Russia and China are U.S. Puppet States?

AboveAlpha

 

Are you trying to tell me the UN agreed to the USA invading Iraq in 2003? If the UN could not stop the USA in 2003 - then what purpose does it serve?



The UN charter preempts the use of military force except in self-defense or with Security Council approval. But a military strike against Syria without UN authorization would not be without precedent. In 1999, the U.S. and its NATO allies bombed Serbia for 78 days in an ultimately successful effort to force the government of Slobodan Milosevic to withdraw from Kosovo. And in 1998, Washington launched missile strikes against al Qaeda targets in Sudan and Afghanistan. Neither action had the blessing of the Security Council.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...tary-force-lacks-widespread-global-agreement/

 

You have missed my point entirely. What I have been trying to say, is that I don't think there is any moral or ethical difference between the USA and China or Russia, and my evidence regarding the UN members allowing the USA to do anything they want - even against their own UN charter, confirms my theory.

 

I am well aware of the GENOCIDE that was going on in Serbia and I and my Team were at the Kosovo Airport trying to give MRE's and Water to starving and dehydrated Russian KID Soldiers.

We worked out a deal so that the Brits could give them food and water as the Russian Military Brass told those Russian Kids that if they accepted food and water from the American's they would all be Court Martialed!

AboveAlpha

 

Russia, China and the United States all look out for their own interests and there is no doubt about that....but there is a BIG difference between all three Nations.

The United States is without a doubt the pre-eminant Superpower and Russia and China have of as late been calling the United States a HYPERPOWER as the disparity between the U.S. Military and U.S. Economy compared to the combined Militaries and Economies of BOTH China and Russia is so great that it makes both China and Russia VERY NERVOUS.

China's Communist Leadership made a mistake of EPIC PROPORTIONS as they thought but buying up U.S. Debt and leanding the U.S. Billions that this would allow China to sway U.S. Foreign Policy.

Instead it had THE EXACT OPPOSITE EFFECT.

Understand this...THE FIRST RULE IN LENDING.....#1. GOLDEN RULE....NEVER lend money to anyone or any group or entity that YOU as the LENDER CANNOT FORCE PAYMENT FROM DEBTOR!!!

China has absolutely NO POSSIBLE WAY to force the U.S. to make good on what it owes China.

Add to this the fact the Chinese Economy is completely dependent upon Exports to the United States....and this means that without firing a shot....the United States could completely collapse the entire Chinese Economy within a WEEK.

Add to this the fact that the Chinese Military is not even CLOSE to being a match to the U.S. Military....it just shows us that China has absolutely no power or influence it could bring to bear upon the United States.

As far as Russia....well we TRIED to help Russia. I WAS THERE!!

Putin has sealed Russia's fate and unless Putin comes to his senses I fear for a great number of my Russian Friends still living in Russia.

But besides this....the U.S. Military has been a stabalizing Force since WWII and besides small scale actions like Panama, Genada, Kuwait, Iraq, Somalia, Serbia, Afghanistan....etc....the U.S. Military has prevented a WWIII from breaking out for almost 70 years.

Now...does nayone here REALLY BELIEVE....that if it was Russia or China that had the current Military and Economic Power that the United States now has...that Russia and China would not be taking territory and draining the resources of other Nations just like the Old Soviet Union did in the Ukraine, Georgia and all the other former Soviet States as the Soviet's would even take the food and meat grown and raised in Poland to feed the Soviet Army?

Yeah....it's a GOOD THING it's the United States being the one called a HYPERPOWER.

AboveAlpha

 

If the USA is considered a military and economic "Hyperpower" among ants.

Then why did this "Hyperpower ask for military help from insignificant allies like Australia to invade Iraq and Afghanistan, considering, as you stated, these invasions were "small scale actions"?

Why would the USA drag its small allies into "small scale" military conflicts, if this "Hyperpower" had the economic & military superiority to combat the situation itself?

 

Politics...pure and simple.

I was against the Invasion of Iraq and I was existing as a Consultant at the time.

I knew that Saddam was the only thing preventing a Sunni/Shiite Civil War in Iraq but I was not listended to.

Iraq was all about a demonstration of U.S. Military Capability...pure and simple as it was thought 200 of us directing Air Strikes in Afghanistan which killed TEN'S OF THOUSAND'S OF THE ENEMY...was too remote for World Media to take notice...thus Invasion of Iraq was cooked up.

The American People do NOT like war...but they are much more able to tollerate it knowing our allies are involved as well.

Could the U.S. Military handle Iraq and Afghanistan on their own....no doubt.

We could make it so not a single living thing existed.

But that does not play well on TV.

AboveAlpha

 

I am very surprised you asked this question, although I have seen you say similar previously. It isn't about helping, it's about justification. If the US goes it alone, it's the US against ISIS, but, if they can get a few nations backing them, it's the world against ISIS. There is also as AA says, the need to appease their citizens, not only for going to war, but the cost of it. That is why they asked if we could put more troops in, every Australian soldier saves them the cost of one of their own. It's a complex political issue, nothing to do with how brave they are or how competent.

 

NATO should have launched tactical nukes against all of them.