Dismiss Notice
Thanks for being a member of our community. Please donate toward site expenses if you can.

Ruth Bader Ginsburg: A Pregnant Woman Is Not a ‘Mother’

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by US Conservative, May 29, 2019.

Page 2 of 5
  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    56,891
    Likes Received:
    21,025
    Trophy Points:
    113

    In most states abortions at 23 weeks are illegal.
     
    FoxHastings, May 30, 2019
    #26
  2. HTownMarine

    HTownMarine Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2013
    Messages:
    8,348
    Likes Received:
    4,155
    Trophy Points:
    113
    "Most"
     
    HTownMarine, May 30, 2019
    #27
  3. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2011
    Messages:
    42,150
    Likes Received:
    32,997
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Why should they have killed it? Medical science is amazing and cases like this will only become more and more common to the point where a human womb is no longer even needed.
     
    cd8ed, May 30, 2019
    #28
  4. PrincipleInvestment

    PrincipleInvestment Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2016
    Messages:
    23,170
    Likes Received:
    16,477
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    :roflol: How does (D) bi-polar logic demonstrate something besides (D) bi-polar logic? Your theory: mentions free pre-natal care = opposes free pre-natal care! :roflol:
     
    PrincipleInvestment, May 30, 2019
    #29
    TurnerAshby and US Conservative like this.
  5. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2011
    Messages:
    42,150
    Likes Received:
    32,997
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I support mainly non-surgical procedures at the discretion of the pregnant woman. So during the first trimester only.

    In cases of rape, incest, deformity, or medical issues I support a surgical option.

    So to directly answer your question, if I had to choose between 100% outlawed abortion and abortion only if you are raped I would pick the latter. It’s still a gross overstep by the state.
     
    cd8ed, May 30, 2019
    #30
  6. bendog

    bendog Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2014
    Messages:
    1,649
    Likes Received:
    585
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I realize you don't like it, but under the 14th amendment a person becomes a person at birth, and the drafters meant it, explicitly. If YOU have any LEGAL authority that a fetus that can't survive outside a womb is a PERDON, put it up or cut bait.
     
    bendog, May 30, 2019
    #31
  7. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    22,804
    Likes Received:
    11,810
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Such pitiful "legal reasoning" offered by our men and women in black robes.

    A given pregnant woman MAY be a mother from a previous pregnancy.

    It's no wonder so little gets done and such absurd decisions flow from that court.
     
    Eleuthera, May 30, 2019
    #32
    US Conservative likes this.
  8. Nunya D.

    Nunya D. Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2010
    Messages:
    10,193
    Likes Received:
    2,797
    Trophy Points:
    113
    While I agree that a 11 year old that was rape by their father should not be forced to carry the "baby" to term, the argument surrounding the "rape or incest" issue is nothing more than an attempt to pull on heartstrings.

    Only 1% of abortions are because of rape....and less than 0.05% are because of incest. Also, the decision to abort is rarely based the rape or incest itself.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ew-abortions-so-why-all-attention/1211175001/

    Exceptions should always be made in cases of rape or incest.....no matter what abortion laws are created. However, to use rape or incest as an arguing point on the abortion issue is looking at the exception and not at the actual issue.
     
    Last edited: May 30, 2019
    Nunya D., May 30, 2019
    #33
    TurnerAshby and US Conservative like this.
  9. US Conservative

    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 19, 2015
    Messages:
    66,099
    Likes Received:
    68,212
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Could have been one of her law clerks that wrote it.
     
    US Conservative, May 30, 2019
    #34
  10. US Conservative

    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 19, 2015
    Messages:
    66,099
    Likes Received:
    68,212
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    What about at 36 weeks?

    Fully viable outside the womb.
     
    US Conservative, May 30, 2019
    #35
  11. US Conservative

    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 19, 2015
    Messages:
    66,099
    Likes Received:
    68,212
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    If the pregnant mother was killed, a double murder case could be brought.
     
    US Conservative, May 30, 2019
    #36
    TurnerAshby likes this.
  12. Pollycy

    Pollycy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2008
    Messages:
    29,922
    Likes Received:
    14,183
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    A pregnant woman is just that -- a pregnant woman. She becomes a mother after she has successfully given birth to a child. That's the viewpoint from one rock-solid, fiscal Conservative with "no dog in this fight" other than wishing to keep this Roe v Wade thing from once again being turned into a weapon that hyperliberals will use against conservatives from now until the end of time!

    Ginsburg should have retired many years ago. In Great Britain and Germany, for instance, all federal judges must (MUST) retire at age 70. Ruthie Ginsburg is 86 years old, in very poor health, and so enfeebled that she falls asleep during court sessions. She hangs on, though, so that libs will have time to get rid of Trump and have more radical trash like Sotomayor and Kagan put on the court. The libs would have Ruthie wired and hosed-up to life-support machines before they'd let her go now!
     
    Pollycy, May 30, 2019
    #37
    US Conservative likes this.
  13. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    56,891
    Likes Received:
    21,025
    Trophy Points:
    113
    FoxHastings said: ↑
    A 23 week fetus is viable. Why do you think they should kill it?


    What about it? That would be illegal unless there was a threat to the woman's/fetus's life and /or health....and that would've been determined before the due date.
     
    FoxHastings, May 30, 2019
    #38
  14. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    154,079
    Likes Received:
    39,232
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Yes DUH, and that he is the father of the child in the womb.
     
    Bluesguy, May 30, 2019
    #39
  15. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    56,891
    Likes Received:
    21,025
    Trophy Points:
    113

    Yes, in some states it can but only because of the UVVA(Unborn Victims of Violence Act) and that does NOT give fetuses rights ONLY PROTECTION.
     
    FoxHastings, May 30, 2019
    #40
  16. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2008
    Messages:
    46,813
    Likes Received:
    26,357
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I would have to agree that a woman who exercises her constitutionally protected right to terminate a pregnancy is no longer a mother, but before she exercises that right or freedom she is a mother.

    What is a pregnant woman other than a mother? I don't see how the stage of development changes that.

    (Again, full disclosure - I'm pro-abortion (aka "pro-Choice") within the reasonable legal limits established by the SCOTUS in Roe.)
     
    Last edited: May 30, 2019
    Talon, May 30, 2019
    #41
    TurnerAshby and US Conservative like this.
  17. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2008
    Messages:
    46,813
    Likes Received:
    26,357
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Yes, my wife said that after I knocked her up.
     
    Talon, May 30, 2019
    #42
  18. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2016
    Messages:
    28,150
    Likes Received:
    19,392
    Trophy Points:
    113

    What is the difference between a pregnant woman and a light bulb?

    You can unscrew a light bulb!
     
    Doofenshmirtz, May 30, 2019
    #43
    Talon likes this.
  19. US Conservative

    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 19, 2015
    Messages:
    66,099
    Likes Received:
    68,212
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Bernie is fine with it.

    Also gender specific abortion, which means girls are targeted.
     
    US Conservative, May 30, 2019
    #44
  20. Egoboy

    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2017
    Messages:
    44,763
    Likes Received:
    32,099
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Absolutely.... the alternative is 1984.... She'll make it, she's a tough old bird...

    Wasn't going to comment on this thread, but I thought this was a little funny.... I looked up the definition of mother.... still debatable, but this stood out as one of the definitions...

    [ short for *********ker ] sometimes vulgar : *********KER

    Sometimes?? I defy anybody to use that in a non-vulgar way...
     
    Egoboy, May 30, 2019
    #45
  21. ECA

    ECA Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2018
    Messages:
    32,338
    Likes Received:
    15,856
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I guess that’s as good a reason as any for your justification of killing a viable health baby. Sarcasm off.
     
    ECA, May 30, 2019
    #46
  22. Texas Republican

    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2015
    Messages:
    28,121
    Likes Received:
    19,405
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Morally, a fetus (even in the hours after birth) = cancerous tumor.
     
    Texas Republican, May 30, 2019
    #47
  23. squidward

    squidward Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2009
    Messages:
    37,112
    Likes Received:
    9,515
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Like me not being able to do business with whomever I please?
     
    squidward, May 30, 2019
    #48
    US Conservative likes this.
  24. flyboy56

    flyboy56 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2013
    Messages:
    15,573
    Likes Received:
    5,444
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    A woman who learns she is pregnant. From day one mothers protect their child from harm by not drinking alcohol or engaging in risky activity. Isn't that what moms do for their children?
     
    Last edited: May 30, 2019
    flyboy56, May 30, 2019
    #49
    US Conservative likes this.
  25. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    150,877
    Likes Received:
    63,184
    Trophy Points:
    113
    correct, she is a potential mother, if she tried to declare a unborn baby as a dependent it would be tax fraud

    or tried to buy life insurance calling it a child, and she miscarried, insurance fraud
     
    FreshAir, May 30, 2019
    #50
Page 2 of 5

Share This Page