Seattle’s Wage Mandate Kills Restaurants

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  1. notme

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    It's a way for most. Unemployment is dead low. There is money to be made everywhere.
    There is no need to subsidize companies to underpay their employees.

    The government is simply not there no aid companies. fck them. Them people who lost their job will find a better one supported by some professor of economics.

    You can not get passed the idea of a minimum wage and why it's there and fail to come up with an argument to counter it supported by some professor of economics.
     
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    Only in "liberal math" is it economically beneficial to trade out two lower paid employees for one higher paid employee and one unemployed person. Now instead of two people maybe receiving "food stamps", there will be one person who is now eligible for a full free ride on the welfare bus thanks to his unemployed status. If you're a Democrat, or math impaired, I guess that's a win??


    ^^^ The Democrats' dependency platform ^^^
     
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    Pretty much, but it really takes a special mind to flesh this type of economics out.. Most people have far to much common sense to do it :) ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯
     
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    You know, it would be nice if you were able to focus long enough to post about the actual subject.

    You obviously believe that minimum wage workers should get a raise in minimum wage because CEO get bonuses.

    Since we're not talking about CEO's, I'd love for you to explain why the hammerheads responsible for the sandwiches shown in the photos in my post should get $15 an hour...
     
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    Because it's a honest days wage for a honest days work.

    As for the photo's: everybody makes mistakes. The idea that every person working for a minimum wage at McD's make such hamburgers is a joke, and you know it. I mentioned gross incompetence, yet managers who do that still get a bonus. You go riddle me that.

    As for such a minimumwage in general. You think America is too poor to pay for that? There are billions being made in the US. Spare me the tears. I wouldn't know why the US government must spend taxes to aid companies so they can get to underpay their employees.
     
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    It's the opposite these jobs subsidize the government welfare program. If the government didn't provide welfare these companies would have to pay more
     
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    Indeed. The government is aiding companies. Companies in the US make a massive fortune.
    So it's not rational in a capitalistic system that companies get such a governmental aid.
    What's next? Communism?
     
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    The people making minimum wage need to understand that minimum wage is a minimum wage for a reason. Get more skills and become worth more than minimum wage. Those people have to be worth higher skilled jobs. Companies dont need to pay more those workers need to quit doing easy work and expect the world.

    There are tons of advancement programs throughout the country to earn more skills and there are currently 7 million job openings. Working minimum wage is a choice for the majority of workers they deserve what they are making and the employers shouldnt be forced to pay them more because the government says so. If they dont like the pay go somewhere else. That's why competition works.
     
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    Eliminate welfare, simple and companies will have to pay more to keep employees
     
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    Um, all those unemployed will be getting unemployment benefits and EBT so in essence, they will.
     
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    A very keen observation.
     
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    Obama bought votes as well!

    Welfare spending jumps 32% during Obama's presidency

    Oh, and remember this?


     
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    Broke farmers can get that too
     
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    Why does the government aid workers?
     
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    All you need to know. Another once great city turned into a shithole by leftie practices.
     
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    Welfare grew while the economy grew.. Or are your saying the economy did grow under Obama?
     
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    Even if that work is performed poorly or incorrectly?

    We're not talking about anything of any importance here. We're talking about putting together a fast food sandwich...

    It's actually really common.

    My local McDonald's is a joke. Once or twice a week I'll stop there for breakfast. I'll get a cup of coffee and a sausage biscuit with cheese (you get charged extra for the cheese). I picked up my order and got pulled out of the parking lot. As I unwrapped my sandwich, guess what? No cheese. They sure as Hell charged me for it, though. So I turn around and go back to the "restaurant", walk in with my sandwich and my receipt and approach the counter. The $15 wanna-be asked if she could help me. I showed her the receipt, and then the sandwich, and asked if I could have what I ordered. She took the sandwich back to where they make them, slapped a piece of cheese on it and handed it back to me without so much as an apology, and without regard for the fact that the sandwich was now cold.

    When I asked to speak to the manager, she asked "Why?"

    My reply was "Because you should be fired."

    The manager came over (I wasn't actually speaking softly) and asked what the problem was. When I told him the problem, and the over-paid counter monkey's "solution" to it, he turned and glared at her. He then made me a new sandwich himself and brought it to me, along with a $20 gift card to accompany his profuse apology.

    I haven't seen that girl since.

    So now, before I drive away, I always check my order and, if I were to guess, I would say they screw it up 30% of the time. That's hardly deserving of $15 an hour...

    Riddle you what? Care to offer any examples of what you're alleging? The manager in my example handled the situation perfectly...

    I don't think we're too poor to pay for that. But just because we can doesn't mean we should. It's not warranted.

    Also, any tears you might perceive are hardly coming from me. I'm not the one crying about needing $15 an hour for screwing up someone's filet-o-fish sandwich...
     
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    I wish I had the time watch the rest of that video; I watched about the first ten minutes. I'll make time later.

    My daughter lives in Seattle, but in a pretty nice area. I just sent her the link to this video...
     
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    Interesting example. I in fact refuse to let the tellers in one of my bank's branches force me to use the robot. I deal with real people to the extent I can. #resisttherobots
     
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    Uh. No. What your saying is a cop out excuse uninformed about how markets work.

    Everything sold in the market has a value, and the market will only bear so much cost outside of this range.

    When the cost of labor goes up, the cost if goods and services increase. In conjunction, some owners may even drop profit margin to stay competitive (not even with each other but just the bearing of the market).

    At some point, there is a tipping point where the cost of business exceeds the revenue or the profit margin that makes it worth the trouble.

    I'm sure the restaurants on the edges of the city feel the most pain as customers will drive 5 minutes out of city limits and get a similar product at a substantial lower cost.

    You can't simply apply artificial coast impacts to the market and pretend they don't have an impact. They all do, and in some cases area so extreme business actually close.

    Lol. Which is precisely the point.

    Which is clearly what many people are doing.
     
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    Tariffs and minimum wage are not nearly the same thing.

    Like... not even a little bit.
     
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    Another cop out excuses pretending that overhead labor costs have no impact.

    It must be nice to intentionally live in ignorance in order to keep believing an ideology that has no parallel with reality.
     
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    In all three cases, you made somebody else's issue sustaining themselves everybody else's problem to solve.

    Not once did you afford an option where people help themselves.

    This is why progressive liberalism is a massive failure.
     
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    No.

    The leftest lefties have no understanding of economics at all.
     
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