Sen. Tim Kaine: "The United States didn't inherit slavery from anybody. We created it."

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  1. Esau

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    White Jewish Europeans and White Christian Europeans invented the race based chattel system.

    thats just a fact, do with it what you will, defend, condemn, celebrate whatever you will.


    sorry to burst your eurocentric bubble but Egypt is in Africa, as is Israel. maybe you didnt notice but just above egypt is the sea, hardly a crossroad is it lol. maybe a cross-water. there was little mixing in egypt since all of the natives moved south when the european and asian armies invaded. AEgyptians were xenophobic and referred to the ASIANS many times as enemies which would lead us to assume they didnt mix too much. this is all backed up by keita who claims that the Ancient Egyptian origins were from up stream, not the other way around that eurocentrics liked to spin it. therefore the Aegyptians would have been black if upper egypt was the centre, as it is recognized.
     
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    hate?

    lmao

    you are triggered son
     
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    ....yet you are the one typing in big, bold print.....
     
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    My point was that the wicked, evil and greedy White devil oppressor did not invent the "race based chattel system" nor was it "race based"..

    Slave traders simply went to where "harvesting" slaves was the easiest and the Blacks who traded other Blacks for trinkets were happy to oblige.

    Enslavement was also not "race based" in that slave traders would have just as readily "harvested" Asians or other Whites if it had been easier.
     
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    your point is wrong then since White Jewish Europeans and White Christian Europeans invented the race based chattel system.

    it wasnt easy to enslave whites since the laws prohibited it, not because whites were opportunists who saw no colour. smh.
    nice try at defending slavers though, noted.
     
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    My 'Eurocentic bubble' ??? FFS what part of my comment that 'all racial groups practiced it and all were subject to it.' is Eurocentic?

    And in case you've never looked at a map of world recently the continent of Africa is connected to the Middle East via the Isthmus of Suez. A land route that was used by invading armies and traders for centuries to enter and leave Egypt and hence the African continent, not to mention thousands of years of maritime trade across the Mediterranean to ports in North Africa ( and vice versa) by the Celts, Sea Peoples, Phoenicians, Greeks, Romans, Visigoths, yada yada yada - and yes as well as sharing genes they all practiced various forms of slavery, as did African civilizations to the south of Egypt long before Europeans even arrived there.

    Sorry to burst your bubble but - for Gods sake go read some history before pontificating about 'Eurocentric bubbles'.
     
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    yes but White Jewish Europeans and White Christian Europeans invented the race based chattel system.
     
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    Reall, how so?
    Not alot, but just as much or more than repubs have.

    I can't because I never said that.
    You mean a trend that had been happening since 2012. Black unemployment is still twice if not more so than that of whites.
    I have talked about them plenty, you guys don't want solutions you want to point fingers.
    So if black folks start voting Republican then all of our problems miraculously go away.
    You can feel anyway you like. I hear Republicans ran their stinkin mouths about what Democrats haven't done for black folks and what plantation they are keeping us on and blah, blag, blah. Now when you ask them what they have done or are going to do all you hear is crickets. It is pretty simple black folks don't vote for Republicans for the simple fact that all the racist we see or hear from are in the Republican party.
    Folks like have never seen any racism let you tell it, eventhough, there is well over 400yrs of history of it in this country.
    How do we know what are ancestors did, because we were cut off from them, bastardized. All we have to go on is what you told us took place.
    Who bought them? Good, God fearin, white so called Christians. Who was responsible for the inhumane treatment of them when they came to these shores? Good,God fearin, white so called Christians.
    Sorry, but that division wasn't created by me.
    Well of course you do, because you think black folks should just turn the other cheek and be happy you have been so good to us. Sorry just wasn't made that way, to laugh when nothing is funny, dance when I don't hear music. Dr King said a man can't stand on your back unless it's bent over, so I stand up straight.
     
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    Between 1500 to 1800 in excess of 1 million Europeans were captured and sold as slaves in North Africa by the Barbary Pirates - i.e. a mere chattels.

    So you were saying?
     
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    Virtue signaling by repeating proven falsehoods like: "White Jewish Europeans and White Christian Europeans invented the race based chattel system." doesn't make them true:

    "Slavery in Ancient Africa"
    https://study.com/academy/lesson/slavery-in-ancient-africa.html

    EXCERPT "Slavery existed in Africa before the infamous Arabic and European slave trade changed the slavery paradigm forever after. The trade of captive human beings from enemy tribes was a common practice in early African society as a whole, but not nearly as brutal as what it later came to be." CONTINUED


    "Slavery before the Trans-Atlantic Trade"
    https://ldhi.library.cofc.edu/exhib.../introductionatlanticworld/slaverybeforetrade

    EXCERPT "SLAVERY IN WEST AND CENTRAL AFRICA

    Slavery was prevalent in many West and Central African societies before and during the trans-Atlantic slave trade. When diverse African empires, small to medium-sized nations, or kinship groups came into conflict for various political and economic reasons, individuals from one African group regularly enslaved captives from another group because they viewed them as outsiders." CONTINUED


    I can support my assertions, why can't you?

    No, I'm not defending slavers.
     
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    Everything good that happened to the black people was started by the Republicans.
    Everything good that happened to the black people was resisted by the Democrats.
    Nice crowd you've thrown in with there, Joe.
     
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    they enslaved whites and blacks, it was not in specifically targeting one racial group.
     
  13. Esau

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    thats for you to prove otherwise sonny, what discussions are all about. have fun
     
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    See my post above, open your eyes and (again) read some history. I say this for one reason only. History unifies everyone
    Black, white, male, female, rich and poor, tall and short every single human being on the planet gets tarred by the brush of history. We're all the descendants of murderers and the victims of murder, slavers and enslaved, bigots and hypocrites, villains, liars and fools. Also (occasionally) we manage to rise above all that as a species with moments of brilliance, compassion, wisdom and insight. None of which is based on race, color, creed or gender.
     
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    the whites saw how the muslims were getting rich by raiding africa so the whites wanted a piece of the pie and started to copy the muslim slaver but whites refined slavery into what it became, race based chattel system.
     
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    that race based chattel system is how america and europe rose to power, all off the back of millions of so called african americans.
     
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    The Ottoman Empire by law could enslaved anyone who was not a Sunni Muslim. Ancient China enslaved people who were not citizens of its (various) Empires. So your argument is what?- enslaving someone based on race is worse than enslaving them based for some other difference?
     
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    Again - read some history. Unless I'm mistaken there were these little things called the Renaissance, Enlightenment and Industrial Revolution which might just have had a little bit to do with Europe's rise to economic dominance during the 18 and 19th Centuries. Of course I'm prepared to be proven wrong.....
     
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    is this rhetoric?
     
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    Again -read some history. all those things are explicitly linked to the enslavement of so called african americans.
     
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    And others and Democrats.
     
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    Who were dems and repubs.
     
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    No its fact. You seem to be arguing that the the system of slavery practiced by Europeans in the 16th to 18 centuries is somehow worse that any other system of slavery that preceded it in recorded history because it was largely race based. I simply pointed out that there were other systems of slavery based on other differences. The whole concept of slavery is based on the principal that he/she who is different is lessor. That difference can be racial, religious, cultural or anything else that differentiates the slave from the slaver even if its only defeat in battle (i.e the victor enslaves the vanquished because they are obviously lessor).
     
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    So you are claiming conservative blacks are all boot lickin' Uncle Tom's, a racist designation, or fools.

    Why do you always answer a question with a question dodging the answer. Scroll back then answer.
    Why do they do that and not report that they live together in a two parent household? It doesn't require they be married.
     
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    No it was the Democrats throughout the history slavery and the civil rights battles.
     

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