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SERIOUS Compromise between Pro gun and gun control!

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Sackeshi, Mar 30, 2020.

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Do you support this?

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  2. Some of it

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  1. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Spell-check didn't cause that embarrassment...
     
    TOG 6, Mar 30, 2020
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    Spellcheck would have told him that the wrong word was spelled correctly.
    That kind of reassurance is always a trap for the unwary.
    He has my sympathy. ;-)
     
    Ddyad, Mar 30, 2020
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  3. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

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    It was believed the presence of yourself has ceased on these forums.

    Apparently such is not actually the case.
     
    Xenamnes, Mar 30, 2020
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  4. Sackeshi

    Sackeshi Well-Known Member

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    At least its a real compromise this time since I actually plan on turning this into legislation if I get elected.
     
    Sackeshi, Mar 30, 2020
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  5. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    So, we have nothing to worry about.
     
    TOG 6, Mar 30, 2020
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    squidward Well-Known Member

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    He doesn't trust people, but he trusts people that are in government.
     
    squidward, Mar 30, 2020
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  7. Sackeshi

    Sackeshi Well-Known Member

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    I find government is the quickest and best way to bring about political, economic, and social change. Fight to get into the government, and fight to pass legislation that changes things.
     
    Sackeshi, Mar 30, 2020
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    Like murdering your own citizens?
    That kind of change?
     
    squidward, Mar 30, 2020
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    Sackeshi Well-Known Member

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    Nope, how about abolishing districts on the state level and having proportional voting where we have dozens of parties and the unicameral legislature has 1000 members and a party gets 1 seat per 0.1% of the vote, and guess what, no party gets close to a majority and thus coalitions and deals have to be made across a broad spectrum to get the "Speaker position and legislative whip" and to pass legislation meaning more people are represented than in this current system.
     
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    How's about we just limit them to almost no powers?
     
    squidward, Mar 30, 2020
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    You mean like the founders originally intended?
     
    garyd, Mar 30, 2020
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    That kind of thinking is very anti-American.
    I blame the schools.

    "Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer."
    COMMON SENSE, Thomas Paine.
    https://www.ushistory.org/PAINE/commonsense/sense2.htm
     
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    Schools are the government, and self promoting by design
     
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    Please Please Please do tell us what office you are running for and where.

    We'll use this thread to get it to as many of your future constituents in your district as possible so they can read it and see just what you've got.

    Please Please Please!
     
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    it's an awful list, and I'm all about compromise, but I see no compromise with this mess.
     
    Spim, Mar 31, 2020
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    And yet the united states government cannot even implement a simple coronavirus relief bill, without loading it down with proposals diverting millions to billions of dollars away from the people, to fund entirely unreleated matters. The nation is presently in crisis, and congress is arguing about whether or not to divert relief aid to promote wind energy development.
     
    Xenamnes, Mar 31, 2020
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    1st most of that list is already active everywhere except of course for #1. Every major city already has suicide hotlines.

    2nd over 2.8 million people die in this country every year. Somewhere between 30 and 35k of them involve guns and 2/3 of those are suicides. That's 35 in every 28000
     
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    We have dozens of parties.
    Why do you think you'll get enough people to agree with you?
    States that have a bicameral legislature will need to amend their constitutions.
    Why do you think you'll get enough people to agree with you?
    Why do you think a significant number of people will suddenly stop voting for Democrats or Republicans?
     
    TOG 6, Mar 31, 2020
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    They won't.
    Two key talking points that the Dems and Reps pump down our throats, and get swallowed by 95% of the people:

    Wasting your vote
    Non viable
     
    squidward, Mar 31, 2020
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    Because there will no longer be the threat of wasting your vote
     
    Sackeshi, Mar 31, 2020
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    Sackeshi Well-Known Member

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    That's only in FPTP the moment they have a chance to vote for another party and have that vote count they will.
     
    Sackeshi, Mar 31, 2020
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    So, you don't have an actual reason to believe people will agree wit you.
    Thanks.
     
    TOG 6, Mar 31, 2020
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    Sackeshi Well-Known Member

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    The PEOPLE agree with me, the challenge will be getting 2/3 of the legislature to agree to upend their system of being elected and decided to go to a system where "3rd parties" now have a shot.
     
    Sackeshi, Mar 31, 2020
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    They've had plenty of chances.
    They've failed
     
    squidward, Mar 31, 2020
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    There never is a threat of wasting your vote.
     
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