Shocking satellite image shows Alaska’s formerly frozen Yukon Delta is completely green

You did not point to ANY case where I wasn't exactly right. YET, you claimed I was wrong. Curious.

Yes, there are elevations that are becoming crowded. However, not all elevations are anywhere NEAR the same in this respect. Plus, these Starlink satellites are designed to deorbit when their lives are at an end - what is what is needed.

I don't see a justification for determining that Starlink satellites are worse than any other objects in space.

This is really no different than any other brand new industry.

You should take a look at how small personal jet planes have proceeded.

I just don't see anything here to get so wound up about. The very idea that he took his company public is amazing to me!!

 

And why the MWP did not include GREENLAND which froze out the Vikings and chased them off the continent...

1000Ad Vikings still farming on southern Greenland

Mid 1400s Vikings can no longer farm because ground is frozen.

Today old Viking dwellings buried under years of ice.

MWP should be M Euro only WP

 

It will still require 12,000 of them in orbit!

I see you are yet another of the L. Ron minions, Who seems to have a complete lack of any realistic grasp of science. The man is a con artist, and has for over a decade only been very successful in parting rich people and the Government from money.

 

Uhhhm it did in fact include Greenland. Otherwise, they never would have attempted to set up a colony there. And Viking dwellings buried under years of ice?



It was never that bad, the communities did not vanish under glaciers. In short, their main meat came from fish and seals, and while most people do not realize it, the main business of Vikings was that they were traders. And when the passage for the inlets started to become frozen over most of the year and the seals moved farther south the Vikings moved on.

Hell, just use a little logic on what you said. If the MWP did not include Greenland, the coastline would never have warmed up enough to allow an ice free passage and to allow farming at all. It simply did not have as much of an impact as it did farther south, but it still had an impact.

Another way this is seen is that the start of the MWP is also when the Mississippian Culture rose. It was an era of great agricultural expansion on both continents, and the first signs of fractures in that culture started to appear in the archaeological record at the time that the MWP ended. With the final blows and the complete disintegration coming during the Little Ice Age. In fact, if you have read any of my posts in here about pre-Columbian America and the state of the Indian tribes into the 19th century, it almost all boils back to the Mississippian Culture. Just as much of Europe today can still be traced back to Rome.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesal...ety-big-then-a-changing-climate-destroyed-the

https://www.jstor.org/stable/40914449

https://anthropology.utk.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/10_Early_Mississippian.pdf

Wow, I can keep doing this all day long if you wish. Care to now give some scholarly evidence that the MWP only affected Europe, and had no impact on North America? Or are you just going to make the same silly and easily busted claims over and over with absolutely no evidence? The connections of both the MWP and LIA to the rise and fall of the Mississippians is well known. To any who have studied them at all. That is why when the Spaniards finally arrived in the region, they found mostly hostile tribes, and most of the tribes that dispersed after the Mississippian Culture broke up remained very hostile for centuries after. Like the Lakota, which was actually from the region of Tennessee and cut a bloody swathe up to the Great Lakes, earning their more well known nickname of "Rattlesnakes" and fighting anybody they came across.

 

There are LOTS of satellites being launched these days.

If they are designed to deorbit at the end of their lives, they really aren't contributing to the danger that much.

The real danger is in the lower orbits which have become trash belts of failed components, spent boosters and crashes that have splattered parts that won't fall to Earth for a very long time.

If you want to find a bad guy, how about India. They launched a ballistic missile to blow up one of their own satellites, spraying the parts over a wide area of low orbit. Not only did that add to space debris, but it risks the start of military testing of interceptors that target satellites in time of war.

 

No, this is absolutely NOT what any climatologist has EVER claimed.

...or, was this your attempt at humor? It's hard to tell, sometimes.

 

Lol

Only parroting from the climate "scientists" is allowed.

Tell us Antarctica is not an ice age. Your heroes say it's not one....

Lol

 

That photo is not from Greenland.

There are photos of the Viking dwellings buried in layers of ice....

When were the Vikings on Greenland?

Why did they leave?

Greenland was a central talking point of the global cooling theory in the 1970s.

 

If you are going to STATE that someone said something, you need to be CLEAR about who you are accusing.

I have NO idea what you are saying about an "ice age".
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And AGAIN you claim someone is saying something, but you do not identify who it is.

You need to think about citing what you are saying rather than just making broad spectrum accusations with ZERO evidence.

 

Citing sourcing = PARROTING

Apparently since all you are capable of doing is parroting, you think everyone else has the same limitations. Not all of us do.

You have been asked a question.

Is Antarctica today an ICE AGE?

No, go find some "guru" to parrot for "your" answer....

 

I go another route

1. What is the current Temp level;
2. What is the highest ever Temp level;
3. What is the optimal Temp level for plant growth;
4. What is the minimal Temp level needed for plant growth?

Same here sometimes number one but evasions on the others.

 

There are just over 3,300 in total. And we are already seeing collisions and close calls among them. And you think that adding another 4 times that number is just fine?

Once again, you just spout your beliefs with nothing at all to back them up. So as long as you refuse to recognize simple facts and continue to believe a son man, there is not much to say.

 

Oh, I see. So Hvalsey Church is not on Greenland? Then please, tell me where it is then. Because everything else says it is in Greenland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hvalsey_Church

This is absolutely insane. I provide a well known ruin, and you say it is not on Greenland?



I am done with this. All you are doing is refusing anything you do not like, with absolutely no research or even bothering to check anything. Come back when you bother to even do the slightest bit of research, and not just denying anything you do not like.

Let me guess, this is not New York either, right?

 

That is at the very southern edge. Abandoned in 1406 (MWP) why????

The warmers won't answer that because the reason is the Vikings were unable to grow crops right where they had been growing crops for hundreds of years. Greenland's ice age started in the north and moved south. When the Vikings arrived, they called it GREENland for a reason, the entire southern tip was green. The ice age was temporarily blocked by the mountain range at the top of the southern tip. Vikings thought ice there, green here, we are cool to stay. Then the ice kept moving closer and closer, and by 1450 no more Vikings lived on Greenland - not self sustainable, and all that ice is STILL THERE.

The southern coastal tip is south of the arctic circle and hence melts in the summer. The bulk of the tip not on the southern coast has been totally frozen for 500 years and remains so... And was not frozen when the Vikings first arrived.

The Vikings had a large Greenland settlement. Dwellings further inland are buried under years of ice.

 

That's only the number of active satellites.

There are just as many inactive satellites.

Also, there are all sorts of other objects.

The total number of objects large enough that they are actively tracked is more than 27,000.

Obviously, that's horrible.

However, the population of garbage is concentrated at particular elevations, basically in low Earth orbit.

The ISS is in low Earth orbit at 284 miles high where it has to dodge junk once in a while.

Communications satellites need to be in geostationary orbit, which means that they are at a little over 22,000 miles above Earth.

I agree that there is a down side to lots of communications satellites. The biggest one is that Earth based astrophysics is seriously impacted by having multitudes of satellites.

However, the real tradeoff is between that use of space and the concept of having a huge additional percent of the world population being able to come on line with the first world.

THAT is something that has to be considered to be incredibly serious.

 

Over 27,000, in the area where satellites orbit. Right.

You are aware that the total number of satellites launched is only in the range of around 11,000, right? And that is all of them combined, including those sent to other planets and beyond.

Once again, you are just making crap up by pulling random numbers out of your ass. You are aware that the total number of satellites is not that hard to find. The UCS actually keeps an active database on them. You know that, right? Because if you did, you would have taken just a moment to actually confirm the number there are, instead of pulling some silly number out of nowhere that is over two times the actual number ever launched.

 

I got my numbers from NASA. You can, too.

The main point of my post is that there is a crap zone that is in low Earth orbit.

And, communications satellites DO NOT USE THAT ZONE. NONE of them do. The reason is that they need to be in geosynchronous orbit - staying in one place wrt Earth's surface. If you try that at low orbit, the satellite will fall out of the sky. This is just plain physics plus the definition of the mission of communications satellites.

They use orbits that are many, many times higher. And, besides not contributing to the crap zone, the volume of space at that elevation is stupendously larger - meaning there really is nothing being done or planned to be done by all countries combined that could turn cause a problem at that altitude as long as some basic rules are followed - such as insisting that satellites deorbit at the end of life and that nobody starts purposefully shooting at satellites, like India did at low orbit.