Should Israel have been created in Germany?

So in order to make a certain state, there has to be a small group of people that are persecuted. Ok, then why not make a Native American state, free of the US's laws and government, who are recognized as their own country.

 

Oklahoma was supposed to be a state for the Amerindian, until greedy settlers rushed in and stole the land,

 

The land redistribution after both world wars was part of the reason for many further wars. The first thing Hitler took over was the land taken away after the first world war. So you want to give a country full of people who had been feed antisemitic propaganda saying the Jews are the cause of all of their problems to the Jews? Wonderful idea. I'm sure that wouldn't cause a new generation of newly re-motivated much more angry Nazis or anything like that.

Also taking into account that Germany is a hell of a lot bigger than Israel and there just not being that many Jews. Then there's that whole standoff between the USSR and the US right in the middle. That fire didn't need more fuel.

At the end of it, to take away somebody else's land to give to somebody else is just a terrible idea. They will not go quietly. An unoccupied chunk of land or none at all is my vote, but that's not on the list.

 

why do you think Israelis actively promote european jewish ppl return to Israel rather than Afrikan ones?

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which has got absolutely nothing to do with Israelite lineage. Greeks and Romans also have ties to levant as do persians and turks due to occupation of the land over the last 3,000 years.

 

European Jews spent lots of money and time to bring non-white Jews from Ethiopia, Yemen, India, China, Afghanistan, to Israel. Your claim is bogus.

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Persians and Turks have very low levels of the J1 haplotype that is very common among European Jews, and residents of the Levant.

 

why do you think israelis prefer to bus in more european jewish ppl than bother with Beta Israel or even the Lemba?

 

because your claim is 100% false.

 

why havent the Israeli's asked the Lemba to return?

 

why did Israel spend lots of time and money on bringing 100,000 Ethiopian Jews to Israel? cause they hate black people?

 

Prof. Mathivha, a Lemba wrote in 1997;

"we like many non-European Jews are simply the victims of racism at the hands of the European Jewish establishment worldwide"

and that is coming from someone who is more jewish than jewish ppl lol. according to your own DNA studies none the less. See, whichever way you look at it iwin.

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what has that got to do with not allowing the Lemba to come to Israel?

 

white Israeli Jews have spent a lot of time and money bringing hundreds of thousands of non-white Jews to Israel.

here are the numbers:

Ethiopia: 91,288

Tunisia: 56,394

India/Pakistan/Bangladesh: 28,718

Yemen: 69,843

Iraq: 130,994

Egypt & Sudan: 37,808


so much for the falsehood that Israeli Jews ignore non-white Jews.

 

what has that got to do with not allowing the Lemba (the most jewish ppl in the world lmao) to come to Israel?

 

they brought in every single Beta Israel they could.

so the accusation of racism, is false.

they also brought in hundreds of thousands of other non-white Jews, furthering destroying the charge of racism.

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you only say this cause they have black skin, and that is racist.

 

so why arent the Lemba allowed into Israel if they are the most jewish ppl on the planet?

 

they are not Jewish according to Jewish law.

they would have to first formally convert to Judaism, to be considered actual Jews.

also, they are under no immediate threat or danger, unlike the Falasha and other Jews.

 

Yes, the state for the Jews would have been better created in Germany, as they are the ones that killed close to 6 million Jews.

 

Ronstar is absolutely correct. Converts account for under 10% of all Jewish people. This goes back to the idea that only a descendant of Abraham can reach the kingdom of heaven. This idea is only defeated in the new testament of Islam and Christianity. Remember Peter's big debate with the apostles after Jesus told him to convert a non-israelite Roman general? It was a very big deal at the time, and it still is today, which is why only a couple of synagogues accept gentiles. The only sect I know of that does, is the minority sect of progressive judaism, and my friend told me that is also an uncomfortable situation.

Sure, some gentiles convert to judaism anyways, but I would compare it to how many homosexuals do not convert to other major religions. It is hard to worship a god who apparently doesn't accept you. I come from a very orthodox Jewish bloodline so I consider myself educated on the subject. It frustrates me when someone presents a false statistic that isn't only not true, but outrageous in nature.

 

Can we give any other examples of a persecuted ethno-religious group which broke off and claimed lands where their people were not present? The whole idea of a theological Jewish state was ridiculous to begin with. On an equal level with Christian and Islamic theologies. Now that there is actually a Jewish state, there is nothing to do, but deal with the fallout and hope an amiable peace takes place.

 

You cannot prove that jewish ppl are descended from Israelites. You cannot do this because its simply not true. The only explanation is that they are converts, thats just basic common sense.

 

genetic research shows that many European Jews share genes that are very common in Palestine, Syria, Yemen, etc..

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please don't insult me by suggesting a relationship between us.

 

That is not the only explanation. That is outrageous. Judaism was passed done through decedents and family of Abraham's lineage. Few people have ever converted, because the Torah outright says that gentiles cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. You would not believe how much of an expectation there is for Jews to marry other Jews, for this very reason. I am correct for presenting the historical, cultural, and religious evidence. Ronstar brought the scientific evidence when he claimed most Jews had genealogy which traces back to the Levant. What evidence do you have, besides your disbelief in the truth?

It is an unsubstantiated opinion trying to pass itself off as a fact.

 

but that doesnt mean they are descended from Israelites, does it. think about it bro.

 

dude, pay no mind, as he called Judaism the "Synagogue of Satan".

 

it doesnt matter whether traditions were passed down, jewish ppl reject the Lemba whose hebrew traditions were passed down so lets throw that "proof" out of the window straight away. Unless of course you are willing to admit here and now the the Lemba should be allowed to live in Israel. Lets break your argument down bit by bit..then ican show you how iknow jewish ppl are not the lineal descendants of the biblical Israelites.

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the bible calls judaism the synagogue of satan. dont hate me hate the scriptures, hate the most high, we know you want to.

 

The Lemba aren't Jews, according to the rules of Judaism.

but if they were a persecuted minority, Israel would let them in for reasons of political refugee status,