Should trans individuals be banned from teaching grade-high school?

Correct they are pretending to be their opposite sex beczuse they can never become the other sex. I have no obligation to divorce myself from reality and ply along and we as society have no obligation to support and encourage and in fact should not.

 

We shouldn't since it is a normal genetic/physical condition of the human species and a male and female with tha gene pair will always produce a child with the same physical trait.
Will a trans male and a trans female always produce a trans offspring?

Heterosexuality is vital and necessary to our survival as a species and as a society. Is transsxuality or homosexuality?

Go read the definition.

 

The biology is quite clear it's not up to me. You don't go with the sience? What is YOUR definition of man?

 

Hyperbole (intentionally) but not specious. I was working on your stated definition that behaviour by 2% of the population is deviant. All the things I listed are groups who make up 2% or less of the US population. Could it be that your definition is flawed in this context?

 

You have divorced yourself from reality. Thinking trans people don't exist.

 

indubitably

 

You have divorced yourself from reality with your fallacious claim about what I think but then when you can't support your arguments on their merits that is what you tend to do.

 

Yes by the very definition of the word. Did you even look it up?

 

But if the argument that transgender people should be prevented from being teachers is solely that they are (or their behaviour is) "deviant", wouldn't that have to apply to people who fall in to any category that fits the same definition of "deviant"? If you're refusing some "deviants" as teachers but accepting others, there must be some factor at play beyond that simple definition.

 

Aren’t there different types of women? Being a woman from the Uk is different from being a woman from the USA. Being a black woman is different from being a white woman. A trans woman is different from a cis woman. Woman as a group are totally diverse so why exclude trans women?

If one can’t embrace differences and insists that gender is static, then one is likely to engage in discrimination.

Why can’t a trans person teach in a school? If they have the appropriate education, why the hell not?

Is it just about changing to the opposite sex? I have a nephew who used to be my niece. You would never know that he was born a she looking at his appearance. After announcing he desired to live as a male, did he really change? Not at all. Same nice interesting artistic person as always. What is different — no more boobs, facial hair, change in size of hips, deeper voice. Did he suddenly become evil, dangerous, perverted? Nope. Just a happier person with a new exterior to match his inner feelings. Same person, new name, identifying with a different gender.

Seriously, the bigotry and ignorance needs to stop.

 

So, you are going on record stating transgenders are real.
Good.

 

I do not understand people who worry about how other people's genitalia look. I have lived my entire life without ever having that cross my mind and it is so weird and also kind of gross to me that some people do.

Remember about 5 years ago when Conservatives used to mock TERFs? Well, now they have all become just like them.

 

So you are going on record having to make things for me rather than arguing your own positions on their merits. Good.

Pretend /= real do I need to post the definition for you are do you agree to stipulate that men cannot become women and women cannot become men they can only pretend to be the other sex. And calling them "trans" is phony too because neither can change or transition into the other.

 

Women are women, men pretending to be women are not.

What sex you are is quite static and cannot be changed superficially or artificially.

Why can't they do so without pretending to be their opposite sex?

If a man through some accident has his penis cut off does he become a woman? Superficially and artificially changing your appearance even artificially changing your levels of certain hormones does not change you into the other sex. Your niece is still a female. The female offspring of your siblings are nieces. You can pretend otherwise but the biology and progeny does not change.

Do you find biology bigoted and ignorant?

 

What is a woman? What is a man? Man/woman, male/female those are terms that describe gender.

What defines a ‘biological’ male, or ‘biological female’? Is biological sex totally binary as you seem to believe?

Two percent of the population are born intersex — that’s not just a few hundred, or a few thousand, it’s millions. By intersex, it means a person is born with genitalia that doesn’t fit with the male/female binary. Intersex is an umbrella term used to describe a wide range of natural bodily variations.

Hormones are also tied to biological sex — testosterone for men, estrogen for women. These hormones are present in varying amounts in male and female bodies. Women who have poly cystic ovarian syndrome have a huge amount of testosterone in their bodies but that doesn’t make them male. So it’s more than just about hormones.

Some believe that the XX/XY combination defines whether we are biologically a female or male. But some people are born with XXY and XXX chromosomes and there are more variations than that. Some intersex individuals with mostly male chromosomes can also carry fetuses to term if they have the anatomy necessary for a pregnancy.

So as you can see, biological sex, is far more complicated than a strict male-female binary based on chromosomes, hormones and physical parts.

If a cis gender male has his penis cut off accidentally then he is a man without a penis.

By referring to my nephew by the wrong pronoun, it’s just an example of your bigotry directed at trans and non-binary people. You are so intolerant that you can’t even accept that people can actually decide to change their gender based on their own internal feelings. Nope, they must live as their biological sex. Whatever your beliefs are about gender and its relationship to biological sex, deliberate misgendering is just an attempt by you to try to have control over somebody actually determining who they are and trying to curtail their right to live authentically. What threat is it to you that somebody has chosen to live according to the gender they deeply feel they are — is it a threat to you personally, or a threat to your safety, or a threat to your own manhood?

Why would I find biology bigoted or ignorant because only human beings can be bigoted and ignorant, not nature, and treat those who are different in a bigoted and ignorant manner. Biology is all about nature, devoid of opinions, and still produces a huge variation of humans not just binary versions.

 

Why does it matter if groups of people are unable to reproduce? Are you advocating that the elderly or the disabled or the infertile deserve less rights?

I know several gay families that have adopted children that these precious heterosexuals who are vital and necessary to our survival have simply abandoned.
So I’m a way one could argue that other family groups are very important to the progress of humanity.

 

@Bluesguy 's all-or-nothing approach is a pathetic, irrational straw man. And he knows it. If no one had babies, we'd be screwed. If everyone had babies, we'd be screwed. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together gets this. The idea that you should only be gay if you want everyone to be gay is a lie. No one actually believes that.

 

Sorry, but since my wife has a PhD in biology and I've regularly spoken to other people with advanced degrees in biology, I'll go with what they have to say over your "government knows best" force-based approacth.

 

It was my major in college and I would pull any PhD in biology credentials from anyone who claimed that men can change themselves into women and vice versa. Nor can you provide any source other than your proclaimed anecdotal. Ask any on them if a man through some accident has his penis cut off does he become a woman?

Just give me a link to when this has ever occurred and confirmed by a medical examination.

 

What does that have to do with anything about trans? If you are unable to reproduce that doesn't mean you are no longer your biological sex. But it is vital and necessary to members of our species and society DO reproduce and form nuclear families and engage in and accomplish our prime directive. Don't ya think???

No are you?

And the extreme rarity and exceptions do not dictate the norm nor the best. Those homosexuals did not reproduce homosexually did they? When did humanity discover that fathers and mothers are not important persons in a child's life. Do you think it proper for an adult to PURPOSELY create a child denying them a mother or a father simply to fulfil their own desires? We know throughout that humanity that our children do best born into and living in a nuclear family with their biological parents. That is what we as a society should encourage and support and sanction about all else.

But let me guess your next comment will be declare heterosexual families filled with abusive parents therefore we need homosexuals to take over parenting.

 

Most scientists in the west these days acknowledge that gender and sex are two different things. I understand that you would institute this transphobic authoritarianism if you were in charge, as you say you would, but that has no relevance.

 

A female of the human species. What did you think?

A male of the human species. What did you think?

They are the same thing, males and females of the human species. If an unconscious person with on ID on them is brought into the emergency room do you really think they have difficulty deciding if the person is a man or a woman?

You don't know? Never took a course in biology? Never was taught the birds and the bees?

False

". Applying this more precise definition, the true prevalence of intersex is seen to be about 0.018%, almost 100 times lower than Fausto-Sterling’s estimate of 1.7%."

And those are by far genetic development mistakes during earliest growth. Nature can make mistakes, rare but mistakes nonetheless.

Yes but does not make one the other sex.

ROFL.......................SOME????

Yes there are mistakes in nature they do not establish a norm.

No it is not but you are desperate to try and make it so.

You are now going to speciously claim intent has something to do with it and can change the biology? What male/man has ever cut off their penis and become a woman?

It is called the common language. Less that .5% of the population does not get to dictate that to the rest of us causing language to mean nothing. If anyone can be a woman then no one can be a woman let's just get rid of such distinctions altogether then.

Because you find those who go with the science, the biology bigoted and or ignorant it seems.

Beliefs can't be bigoted and ignorant? Like a belief men can actually turn themselves into women by cutting off their penis and putting on a dress and lipstick?

Then you agree that there are men and there are women and one cannot become the other?

Then you should remove your opinions and what you want to be true and go with the science and what we know to be true as I have stated.

 

You've failed to answer the basic questions. And you've already admitted that you would outlaw any science that disagrees with you if you had that power. You should remove your opinions about what you want to be true and go with the science instead of daydreaming about how you'd love to outlaw science.

 

You're posting nonsense.
There's plenty of studies and information that shows transgender have brain functions opposite their genitalia.

 

Because you keep bringing up reproductive availability — which is irrelevant.

On a planet with 8 billion people, I don’t think reproduction should be the number one goal for anyone but if that’s what you believe, have at it.

Nope, I haven’t indicated that reproduction is the key to rights like you have.

What?
I think we should strive to see all children in loving and stable homes. I do not think that should be only biological heterosexual couples.