Single issue debate- Positive points only

Jimmy79 in started a thread that he observed that posters just point blame at each and nothing gets fixed and that a well informed electorate is the answer. Lets have a thread that only brings out why you believe what you do. No negative comments on what the left means or the right, Just why you think the way you do.

Lets start with Illegal Immigration.

I think Illegal immigrants have no right to be here whether they are taxpayers or freeloaders, we are a nation of laws. I don't wan't midnight raids on homes to me the most effective means of extracting people that should not be here is economic self deportation. To accomplish this I want a national ID card with smart technology that can be linked to servers with the same photo that appears. NO one can get hired or keep a job without one. This ID will be the only ID you need to vote and will be free. Subcontracted labor will be treated the same as direct labor. Jail terms for the person who hires someone without an ID.

 

Its a good idea except there should also be measures for them to not come here in the first place..if they can't get hired they will probably turn to crime...people gotta eat!

 

Agreed.

The solution is physically and technologically easy.

Get caught with faked documents and you go to jail, or get immediately deported if you're an illegal alien. Fines should be extended to citizens who harbor illegal aliens.

Employers go to jail, and have fines levied that would allow for personal assets to be seized, if necessary.

 

If you want a thread on national ID cards as a solution to illegal immigration wht did you throw in voting?

 

There use to be a great visa system for farm laborers. A worker would get a visa to work up to 90 days, then they would have to return to Mexico. Next time they’d be able to stay longer, then return home. Eventually they’d be able to apply for a green card.

I don’t know why the system was scrapped.

 

Two points, First to address the issue of illegals voting from right wingers and addressing the concerns of dems that some poor are being denied the franchise by making it hard to register for some people.

 

Illegal voting is a red herring and non issue. If you want to propose and discuss a national ID as a cure for illegal immigration you should limit the discussion to that one issue. Illegals don't come to the US out of an overwhelming desire to vote.

And if you want to discuss voting you should do that as a separate issue. They really are separate issues.

 

H2A is not scrapped, it is in use and should be expanded and given much more oversight. Foreign laborers are treated little better than the animals on farms.

 

Making this country wholly inhospitable to anyone who chooses to come here illegally will be a powerful deterrent to illegal immigration. I would extend the OP's proposed solution to include penalties on landlords who rent housing to illegal immigrants..

The protections and benefits of legal immigration should far outweigh any benefit to coming here illegally. Coming here illegally should be so terrifying and unproductive that no one would bother to try it.

 

I expected someone on the positive of illegal immigration, or the reason they should stay here to post.

 

I agree. The sponsoring company who hires them should be held responsible for making sure they don't overstay their visa, and that they have transportation back to their country of origin. individual workers can earn "reputation" credits when they return towards a permanent resident work visa.

 

We are a nation of laws and a nation of immigrants, many of whom had not been subjected to rigorous exclusionary measures at times when laws were nor as restrictive.

A comprehensive immigration policy is desperately needed that will continue to infuse America with the hard-working and enterprising individuals who have sought a better life for their families and contributed to the nation since its inception.

Migration away from oppression and deprivation is inevitable, and an orderly, humane structure for dealing with it is needed. Of course, the right to apply for asylum and have one's case fairly and expeditiously adjudicated is a principle of law that must be respected.

A national I.D.? There has been vehement opposition to it from one ideological ilk, but employment eligibility requirements, identity verification for social security, universal health care, voting, and other background checks are conducive to such an approach.

 

We are a nation of legal immigrants who melted together after being vetted at entry.

 

Almost all of them were post 1880. Did you forget about Ellis Island again?

 

The reality is that requirements varied widely over time, were far less stringent in the early days of a rapidly-growing populace, and have been discriminatory at times as well. Laws have been changing ever since the nation was founded.

 

Seems counterproductive to allow uneducated, low skill people into a country that could potentially exploit that. We need high skilled and educated immigrants at this point.

 

If you need to believe that every immigrant was processed through Ellis Island after 1880, that is what you will believe.
(Ellis Island didn't process a single immigrant before 1892.)

 

The history of the US has featured less privileged immigrants seeking the opportunity to work hard and achieve a better life for their families and progeny.

Freedom and opportunity have been its major attractions.

 

It worked best when we had an orderly system at Ellis Island, roughly 1880 to 1925.

If you could not prove you could support yourself, or if you had a communicable disease, you were on the next boat back to Europe. And no one snuck across the border to get around the system.

 

Sorry, liberal socialism will not allow that to happen anymore.

 

Ellis Island did not begin operations until 1890, and most immigrants did not enter via Ellis Island. If you imagine there were no undocumented immigrants who had easy access elsewhere for a long period of US history, you would be incorrect.

 

You understand that another location handled immigration prior to that right? Not like we just let people in as your comment suggests.

 

Ellis Island makes today's border scenes look like a Chinese fire drill.

It's hard to secure the border when half the nation doesn't see that as a worthy goal.

 

The new meme that has been issued for the parrots to mindlessly shriek is "socialism!"

I thought it had replaced the exhausted "liberal!" squawk.

Your ideological cant aside,

Do you believe that comprehensive legislation to address immigration is needed?

Do you support a national i.d.?​

 

Most Americans support intelligent measures to enforce immigration requirements, of course.

"Would you support or oppose a bill that funded new border security measures, but did not fund a wall along the border with Mexico?"

SUPPORT: 61% / OPPOSE: 33%

http://pollingreport.com/immigration.htm
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Do you believe that comprehensive legislation to address immigration is needed?

Do you support a national i.d.?