Single issue debate- Positive points only

It should be noted that the current rate of illegals arrested along the border is about 60,000 per month or 2,000 per day. Estimates by the Border Patrol are that they catch around 20% of the illegals- 80% succeed; which means that the problem is growing at a rate of 8,000 per day, 365 days a year. The worst of it is the failure of our congress to deal with the problem for what it is, and object to resolving it as a political weapon. By recognizing the situation for what it really is- they would be admitting that there is a problem, which would make denying or blocking corrective action a malfeasance on their part, and give the opposition a political win. Sadly, they will disgrace themselves and their office before they will do that.

I find that intolerable and unacceptable; a serious violation of their oath of office and their fiduciary duty. I expect those elected to leadership and power to place reality above politics, to do the job they are obligated to do above any partisan interests and with the good of the nation always at the top of the priority list. I realize that most likely I will go to my grave before that actually happens, but it doesn't change the fact that it is their real duty and obligation to the nation.

 

Both sides have supported border security and it would have been done already except for Trump's silly insistsnce on a wall which is now a fence or something.

 

Gee let me think. The threat is proven by the statement of one rancher who wants to remain anonymous. Anyone see something wrong with that bit of proof?

 

I don't know where to start on this one.

Why does it cost more money that what we spend on the to deport. Streamiline it. You can't prove you are a citizen your held until they are 50 of you and you put them in a school bus if they identify as Mexican and drive them or on the next flight out.

Why would we require transplant companies to pay the same wages, when they can just stay here and pay those wages to americans.

It will cost probably $20 each for every ID card and the system to keep it robust. 200 million adults Would need a card. right now it cost them 2x that much to get a state ID if they don't have a driver license. We could do all of them in two years. then in two years, you produce a National ID card or you can't work or vote. If you can't work, you won't stay as all social benefits will be denied.

 

The purpose of this thread is what you would do, not why you think trump is wrong or right with a Wall. You want a wall, fine say so and why, you don't want a wall to be part of the solution say so and why.

 

Why would he lie. What dif does it make where the illegals come from. Muslims can be just as good or evil as any honduran. If a terrorist wants to get here from Mexico a wall is not going to stop him. It is going to help stop Jose and Maria looking for a good gig, it is not going to stop somebody that wants to do harm and come by a fishing boat or across Minnesota somewhere.

 

An essential aspect of coherent, comprehensive immigration reform is establishing and implementing a policy regarding undocumented folks who are integrated into and productive members of Americans society. A mindless "Show me your papers!" cannot be the bureaucratic be-all and end-all. These are, first and foremost, fellow human beings.

 

Yep, that's the festering codswallop that degenerates are attempting to exploit and the woefully naïve are actually swallowing.

Sad. Very sad.

Human trafficking experts and immigration advocates for women told the Washington Post earlier this month they had no idea where Trump was getting his information. Women being duct-taped, they said, wasn’t something they’d ever heard of.

 

The 1965 reform abolished the restrictive, discriminatory quota system based on national origins that had previously been American immigration policy.

Today's US is thriving with an increasingly diverse populace, and is not about to retrogress to racial and ethnic prejudice as its guiding lights.

 

Retreat if you must. I favor the comprehensive policy that most Americans endorse: vigilant border enforcement, efficient and respectful processing pf asylum applicants, prioritization of apprehending and deporting criminal elements, re-instituting DACA, etc.

 

Yes it is, but how many are productive and not on assistance. If you work under the table and don't pay taxes are you productive? Or are you cheating further? I am ok with someone staying here and a path to citizenship if they shown that they have supported themselves or their families without government assistance. I can understand how some who needs a job so that he can work to provide for his family is one thing, but if they used forged documents to apply for aid, that is fraud and a 2nd crime besides coming here illegally.

 

Neither party will ever allow that

 

What about deporting the illegals that are here now, that are not violent criminals, but criminals who used forged documents to get public aid, is forgery also not a crime to be considered.

 

Why not?

 

Because it would work. Both parties want illegals. The GOP needs a slave class for cheap labor and the Democrats need Hispanic support for votes. That is why this problem will never be solved

 

Fences work. Ask the border patrol. They want more.

 

Multiple reports. I chose one.

Do you plan to prove the Rancher lied, or do you make a habit of just dismissing things out of hand, and demanding everyone agree?

 

What's sad is you think insult and attack is an intelligent replacement for debate and discussion of facts presented.

Of course, this is SOP for someone absent the capacity to engage rationally. Pseudo-intellectuals are gravely hampered by this defect.

 

If you thrill at hysterical evocations of chimerical "duct taped" women and a surfeit of abandoned "prayer rugs!", such are the things dreamt of in your philosophy.

 

Don't have to. IF you can find any reliable source it will be worth listening to. Anonymous rancher finding carpet as proof of terrorists not worth taking seriously.

 

And to think, you actually thought this was a cleaver retort capable of filling the void in your argument.

 

Yes I always take Trump stooges seriously. They have to be just as honest as their boss.

 

Why does anyone lie?

 

Why would I care what you think? Unilaterally declaring you know better is a very poor way to win an argument.