Single Payer nightmare in hell complete with death panels

LMAO.....The French Health Care Expert says the Best Health Care System in the world should copy the US. You must not have heard the first ringy dingy when all the ringing began.




French Health Care Expert: France's System Broken, Should Copy US; Media Yawn.....


"It's true we really have good access, but what if the system is not sustainable anymore?" says Teil. "It's going to break. It's going to blow. And then no more accessibility for anybody."

Tiel says the cost of France's socialized health care is growing faster than its economy. Workers pay about fifty percent of their paycheck each month into healthcare, retirement and unemployment and more companies are outsourcing jobs to avoid those costs. Quality of care also suffers in France, says Teil, because hospitals and doctors resist government requirements to report their success and failures.

By contrast, Tiel says privately-owned hospitals in the U.S. are motivated to measure and report their quality of care, which leads to better care.

Contrary to the media standard portrayal of top-rated French health care, Teil stated that the system of “free” unlimited care requires high taxes, and with unlimited care, including costly sex-change operations, in vitro fertilization and alternative medicine, France has a dying system and should look to America for a fix, especially now that the French protested rationing benefits and the government stopped bailing out over-budget public hospitals.

As far as Democrats and advocates of “free” health care are concerned, it's a good thing that the media ignored a story about the sorry state of the "best" health care system in the world......snip~

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb...e-expert-frances-system-broken-should-copy-us

 

LMAO.....It was your own study that stated the American system was worse than Canada's, and your own dufus-in-chief who said the Australian health care system was better. Take it up with them.

 

ROFLMAO.....So and it was my other link wherein the French, with the best healthcare system said their system is failing and they should model the US system. So talk to the best the French have to offer. Think of it as a French Skinny Dip.

 

ROFLMAO....The French don't say that. The French say: "We can only hope that one day the health care system in America ranks as well as France on the world stakes!"
http://www.myfrenchlife.org/2014/03/20/health-care-france-vs-us/

Why are you running away from what your own study that stated about the American system was worse than Canada's, and your own dufus-in-chief who stated the Australian health care system was better. If you have issues with that, take it up with them, not me.

 

LMAO.....are you still trying to deny reality.

French Health Care Expert: France's System Broken, Should Copy US; Media Yawn.....


"It's true we really have good access, but what if the system is not sustainable anymore?" says Teil. "It's going to break. It's going to blow. And then no more accessibility for anybody."

Tiel says the cost of France's socialized health care is growing faster than its economy. Workers pay about fifty percent of their paycheck each month into healthcare, retirement and unemployment and more companies are outsourcing jobs to avoid those costs. Quality of care also suffers in France, says Teil, because hospitals and doctors resist government requirements to report their success and failures.

By contrast, Tiel says privately-owned hospitals in the U.S. are motivated to measure and report their quality of care, which leads to better care.

Contrary to the media standard portrayal of top-rated French health care, Teil stated that the system of “free” unlimited care requires high taxes, and with unlimited care, including costly sex-change operations, in vitro fertilization and alternative medicine, France has a dying system and should look to America for a fix, especially now that the French protested rationing benefits and the government stopped bailing out over-budget public hospitals.

As far as Democrats and advocates of “free” health care are concerned, it's a good thing that the media ignored a story about the sorry state of the "best" health care system in the world......snip~

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb...e-expert-frances-system-broken-should-copy-us


Why is it you can't admit to all the links I put up? What stopped showing all the links I had up?

 

Well, what you are describing is a regulated market, not a free market. Most R&D for drugs is done at the academic level with government grants, and on some occasions funded by venture capital. That is a good thing, because when profits are the only motivating force research for cures is not necessarily conducive for profits. It's also why we are in a crisis when it comes to antibiotics, since they are not profitable for pharmaceuticals.

So now that you are on Medicare, you happy?

Wouldn't it make sense to expand the Medicare model to those under 65?

 

I'm happy I have great supplemental insurance. Sad that my orthopedic surgeon's office has to have 5 $50,000 per year coders. Happy that they got it right so I got the new knee I needed and the doctor and hospital got paid. Medicare is not single payer. It is only government funded if you forget to include a career of individual and company contributions and the supplements we have to buy to call Medicare insurance.

Work the numbers on something easy like Social Security. The max payout was under $2,700 monthly when I last looked. If 12.4% of the max SS income was contributed to an investment account for the past 35 years with earnings applied at the end of each year to the principal at the rate defined as the increase / decrease in the S&P for that year, you have what should be the max principal. Go to any annuity company and see what the payout for an immediate life annuity would be. I got somewhere in the area of $10,000 per month. You could apply advisors rules that would move principle out of equities and into a fixed income instrument for the last 10 years and you would still be over $8,000 per month.

They tell people that the cost of the programs are cheap relative to private, but they don't count most of the cost. Where is HHS management, where is GAO and the Treasury, where is OPM, CSR, GSA, Congress, the White House ,,,,, in their calculation of overhead? As much as $5,000 / month falls off the table into someones greedy little hands in DC every month for retirees that collect SS. I hate to think how much of our Medicare contributions fall off the table to feed the DC oligarchs.

The answer is no, I'm not happy since I'm paying a $143 / month for just my supplement because the government mismanaged a career of contributions by me and my employers.

 

Yes, it is. The main payer is Medicare. And sorry to tell you this, but no, your payroll deductions over the years is not enough to cover your costs, but that's because of a host of other issues.

You do realize if you're not happy paying with a $143/mo for your supplement plan (which by the way is a pretty good price), you may also have the option of a Medicare Advantage plan, also known as Part C. Check with a broker if one is available in your area. It can cost $0 to $50 a month, only downside is you're limited only to doctors on the plan.

 

My broker and I decided that I'm in the correct alphabet soup for where I am. The best solution would have been medical savings account contributions up to 2.9% of my total income. If Medicare deductions were capped like SS, and they're not, and the principal invested in the S&P, a person who retired on 1/1/2016 after 35 years of work would have self-funded over $400,000 in healthcare at age 65. That is in addition to over $10,000 / month in Social Security that would be possible if the government didn't have its fingers in the till.

No good things come from big government ,,, but after they have their way with you for 35 years, they can now offer to solve the problems they created. I will give you that.

 

I call BS on that one unless you show the numbers.

SS contribution is capped at $7,340 per year. Even if you had contributed the max for 30 years and, with some investment gain, had gotten a $500,000 nest egg from it, a SPIA calculator gives me a monthly payment of $2,722. Not too far from the max SS payout.

Of course, that doesn't even take into account that with personal savings and annuities, you take all the risk yourself (for example picking an insurance company that won't go under), whereas your monthly SS check comes with a much lower risk. When have you ever heard of SS not sending someone their monthly check?

 

SS contribution for self-employed = sum of SS contribution for an employee + contribution by employer = 12.4% in 2015 = $14,694

SS counts is based on your best 35 years. The max income that was taxed increased from $25,900 in 1980 to $118,500.

Hitting the existing principal with the change in the S&P, and adding the contributions in each year would result in a final principle of $1.763M. If you pulled your principal out of equities after 2005, you might end up with $1.005M to annuitize by 2015. If you invested the principle in 1Yr T-Bills, you'd end up with $475K to annuitize.

 

Evidence?