Smugglers Cut Doors Into Trump's Wall

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  1. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is the conclusion I have come to. These people are incapable of empathy. I think they are out of contact with their inner feeling self. There was research as well which suggested that. That in particular times regressive authoritarian personalities came to the fore. During normal times they would be prepared to put up with more liberal policies. They would not have been the ones who would have sought out white nationalism for instance but during times such as we have now where the life they have known looks like it may disappear they revert to the authoritarian personality and look for the strong leader who they can hide behind. They do not mind if that leader goes against norms - for instance even with Putin killing opposition. Those people also are far more likely to be scared than those with more liberal personalities who have compassion and empathy. I guess those in charge just need to hit their buttons and they jump. I have certainly noticed that in the UK re Brexit.
     
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    Or maybe some radioactive waste material to make them glow in the dark?
     
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    You are right about that. Most new outlets stopped putting reporters in remote areas of the world for financial reasons. It is easier to sit at a desk and cherry-pick water cooler gossip off the internet.
     
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    Empathy is worthless..
    Compassion has value.. if you think this a problem then by all means take YOUR resources down there and give them relief.

    If you're not gonna do that. Then don't other people that they should.
     
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    Thanks for ignorantly telling me what i think

    You know as soon as someone does that to me. I ignore the rest of their post.
     
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    I disagree. If someone is dealing it illegally and willing to kill others to protect their business likevthe cartels do regularly. Kill them dead on sight.
     
  7. Gdawg007

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    First of all, the problem here is Don micromanaged something he knows nothing about, or rather, he still thinks that walls are only defeated by climbers. This is the mindset of medieval Europe. Even someone like myself, who isn't in the business of designing security walls, can see that cutting at the bottom creates a massive lever that you can this just push up. A cross bar on the wall would have been ideal. Or X's to cross brace would have helped.

    But in reality, a wall will ALWAYS be defeated. If you want to STOP boarder crossings, you invest in Mexico. You LET them take our lower level manufacturing jobs as we once took them from the rest of the world. You let them build up their economy and people. You refuse to deal with their corruption and you stop making drugs a profitable import. These are all hard, long term problems to solve. But once you solve them, people in Mexico will stay in Mexico once they have a life worth staying for. There will be SOME immigration sure, but it can be controlled.

    And yeah, you increase the number of immigrants allowed in. You let as many come in as we have job openings to fill. If Americans can't compete that's our problem. By making the immigrants legal, you require them to earn the same pay and benefits as a US citizen. This forces employers to keep an honest playing field for competition.

    Again, this is probably scary to a lot of Americans but it's what needs to happen. Ever wonder why we don't see Canadian flocking into the US? Make Mexico look more like Canada economically and the same result will happen. Also, we should build the wall up north because even Mexico is going north to smuggle stuff south. The northern border is WAYY more porous and WAAY less secure.
     
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    Illegal immigration from the Mexican border was non-existent sixty years ago. We need to give out more work visas like we did back then, because most illegals come here to make money for a better life and simply don't have the time or money to become US citizens. Work visas to any foreigner who wants to to work here would help a lot, but Republicans will stop it because it "takes away jobs," even though illegals are coming here anyway. At least work visas will allow the US to collect more taxes from migrant workers.
     
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    Which border state is this, when was it taken and who took the photo?
    Any information apart from a pink sweater? What happened to her?
     
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    We don't see Canadians flocking into the US because, like the US, they have laws based on English Common Law and a government based on the British system. It's the same reason why citizens of other democracies aren't risking their lives and leaving their homes and families.

    There is no Latino country in the world that doesn't have crap laws and a cultural where corruption in the bureaucracies are accepted as normal.

    Had the British taken over the two Americas there would have been prosperity from the Arctic circle to Tierra del Fuego., and similar to what they have in Australia, New Zealand, etc.

    Walls are not needed on the Northern border.

    Thanks for the post, There is much to agree with.
     
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    Is that what you would want or expect?
     
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    Oh yes, the better culture argument.

    Mexico inherited it's laws and traditions from Spain. Spain is based on what's call civil law or codes. This means that in order to enforce a law, it must be codified. That's all. The differences culturally are minimal. Sorry.

    As for accepting corruption, no one in Mexico accept corruption. It's forced on them by powers that have economic leverage. Those that corrupt the Mexican government are funded by the drug habits of US citizens, so you don't get to pass the buck there. Good, white, common law following Americans and Candians have drug habits and the money to support them that helps fuel corruption, violence, and the associated ill effects in Mexico that drive many to flee. So it's only right they flee here, that's the price we pay for our own self indulgences.

    Walls are very much needed up north. Or at least, more attention if smuggling and illegal border activity really is your concern.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ings-canada-quietly-rising-data-shows-n981131

    But you've just shown that your real concern is keeping brown people away from you. Good luck, most of the world is brown. YOU are the minority.
     
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    This is a crappy argument for a wall not being needed. Can't you guys do better?
    With the amount of time it takes to saw through that they got a better chance of being detected and apprehended.
    You know what other amazing things can be done?
    Locks can be picked. Do we stop using doors? That's how silly your mentality on this subject is.
    Sad, very sad.
     
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    Oh right, so you can claim no fault or blame for your failed policy, which we told you wouldn't work, and put it back on the other side. :D That's laughable at best.

    The time it takes? Apparently about 10 minutes. So we paid billions to buy an extra 10 minutes. What is that, a 100 million a minute? Real good use of money there...you must be a liberal to waste tax payer dollars like that... :D
     
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    Prove it didn't work. Prove it didn't keep others out. You cant. You got nothing!
     
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    What we've been doing for decades, I.E. how we currently have 10's of millions of illegal aliens in the country now.
     
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    Note that this report links back to a WaPo report that uses unnamed, anonymous stories.

    Yeah, the WaPo of "austere religious scholar".
     
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    I said this 3 years ago that the only guaranteed border wall is not a wall at all, rather its this
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    With pinpoint accurate audio/video surveillance of 2 miles it would only require 700 of the ATK's at $1 million each to fully secure our southern border.
     
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    Yeah, keep telling yourself that to cover up the ridiculous wall that your president wasted money on.

    I would say that wall does keep the "casual" border crossings out, but those people are of zero concern to me. They are just looking for jobs and willing to do more than you or I to get one. We should hire those people ASAP.

    As for the smugglers and hardened criminals, they are USED to overcoming obstacles because it's worth it so this doesn't make a lick of difference. Those, who make up a smaller percentage of illegal crossings, were clearly undaunted or affected by the wall given their 100 dollar saws cut right through it. So again, if you can't accept the reality of your failure, then that's your problem, not mine.
     
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    Murder isn't an acceptable punishment for the crime. Sorry.
     
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    Most enter legally then overstay their visas
     
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    Or form giant caravans and try to push their way in.
     
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    So you just said we should hire people that cross here illegally asap. So you promote breaking the law? Sorry but I don't consort with advocates of crime. Your darthcervantes chatting priveleges have been revoked.
     
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    Except the only reports we have of this is from places like WaPo, and we know how effective our past border barriers have been.
     

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