So much for separation of Church and State

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    Are you talking about Yale and Harvard or just primary schools you don’t agree with some of the things they teach?

    I don’t think discrimination against minorities with disabilities reported on with startling statistics by the Dept. Of Education is a stretch. Perhaps you missed that part…


    What is a stretch is excusing such discrimination by using the argument the rest of society discriminates in the same way at times. I could use the same argument to say private schools should discriminate against LBGT. It’s not a big deal because it’s a societal issue. :)
     
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    Then really all that is left is for you to accept that AA is the textbook definition of discrimination. Any time anyone is favored based on race or gender we have discrimination. How each case makes us “feel” is irrelevant to the fact race or gender etc. based favor as opposed to merit based favor is discrimination.

    LOL. Considering your next paragraph this is amusing. You are OK using discrimination to force one person to another place, like an inferior college or their second choice career, but you are opposed to discrimination that makes one move all the way to the back of a bus or a to a different water fountain.

    More evidence for my point the arguments against public funding of non public schools presented in this thread are based on emotion, not logic.

    Never given opportunities? Ever? How do you explain the presence of minorities in institutions that do not practice AA? How does AA translate into increased voting rights?

    Yes, I’m well aware of the history of discrimination. I’ve even studied cases where we bombed black towns and massacred Native Americans I don’t believe the remedy to that is bombing predominantly white towns or killing men, women and children in predominantly white areas.

    Have you ever taken the time to consider why the “golden rule” seems to be more effective than policies of revenge? Have you ever put any thought into why the reparations we imposed on Germany after WW1 resulted in WW2?

    Any time AA is put into practice discrimination occurs. Any time any criteria involving race, gender, etc. that is not merit is used to choose one candidate over another discrimination occurs. The amount of “harm” to the one discriminated against isn’t relevant. If it were, you would support separate drinking fountains over denial of admission to educational institutions or careers.

    Again, your argument is amusing in its logical contradiction because an LBGTQ kid can go to a public school. It’s no big deal that they can’t go to their first choice private school. It’s just a small percentage of people that don’t get their #1 choice. :)
     
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    and while we are at it, we should buy every homless person a home, run up that federal credit card, am I right?
     
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    Even YOU make a distinction between a homeless person's homeless situation and a kid's education. If you didn't think that kids need to be guaranteed an education, you would have already said it.
     
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    everything costs money, if you move out to the boonies, you get fewer services from the State.... common sense

    you seem to think the government is made of money and can fund a school for every remote location
     
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    You're still not addressing the fact that everyone would live in the city under your ridiculous system where there are no schools anywhere else.

    Again, if you didn't think that kids need to be guaranteed an education, it seems that you would have already said it. Yet for some reason you cannot bring yourself to say it. Why is that?
     
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    why, you think people can't live out in the boonies without a nanny government helping them out?

    people move to the boonies for less government control, not more
     
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    The public school system is an example of a "nanny government" and "government control?" Weird.
     
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    if the people moved out into the boonies to get away from government, then whine that they want government money, yep, they want a nanny government
     
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    So everyone who is in the boonies MOVED to be boonies, and the reason for moving was to get away from government? Man, your ideas just get weirder and weirder!
     
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    doesn't matter why they moved way out in the boonies, why should the states tax payer have to buy them all a school

    if they want to go to a public school, move to an area with a school

    the State can't afford to build a school for every person that moved out into the boonies
     
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    So then everyone would live in the city! You CONTINUE to not think this through!
     
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    why, do you think everyone wants a nanny government? You don't seem to have thought this through!
     
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    The public school system is an example of a "nanny government?" Weird.
     
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    asking for government handouts, means you depend on the government, guess their God not providing for them, tis a sign of it being a bad one
     
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    "God?" Why are you assuming that all of the people in the boonies are religious?
     
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    you said they wanted a Christian school... don't move the goal post now, show me any non-Christians requesting a school out in the boonies

    if they don't believe in a God, then of course they would turn to government - cause they already know God doesn't even protect little girls from preachers in a church, why would he want to educate them?

    God was upset when Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge ... God is not pro-Education
     
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    Nope. My scenario is plain and simple: Families out in the boonies where no private institution is taking part in the education system. So how are the kids educated?
     
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    was their choice to move to the boonies and not give their children an education... sad!
     
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    So you are proposing that everyone live in the city! You CONTINUE to not think this through!
     
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    nope, they can choose, I am proposing if they can't educate their kids in the boonies, they move to the schools and let them do it

    I take it you are against homeschooling too?

    "Guide to Online Elementary School"

    https://www.onlineschools.org/elementary-school/

    You CONTINUE to not think this through!
     
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    What if homeschooling is not an option?
     
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    what if buying every family in the boonies a school is not an option?
     
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    It obviously wouldn't be one school per family. These are rural COMMUNITIES. So what is your solution for educating them?
     
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    No solution then. Imagine my shock!
     

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