So when Trump wins the popular vote on election day, but then Biden wins ...

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  1. LoneStarGal

    LoneStarGal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That wasn't "Trump games". Some of the states' deadlines for requesting a ballot and having the ballots postmarked or to be received by the state election centers are not workable for USPS. Most states should be fine, but we are going to be waiting, likely for weeks after the election, to have all the votes counted. I think California's deadline for a valid mail vote is that it gets postmarked on election day. They'll have millions of ballots postmarked on time that don't get delivered for several days or more.
     
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    IF they did not comply with the guidelines they sent them. These arrogant state legislatures think they have some authority over the USPS to dictate to them what they SHALL do to accomodate a STATE function. The USPS doesn't report to state governments. No games just reality and the it's up to the states to abide by the dates the USPS gives them.
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1824_United_States_presidential_election
    In 1824 John Quincy Adams was chosen by the by the House of Representatives on the first ballot. even though Andrew Jackson the electoral and popular vote. .Tap the website for more.
    In 1876 Rutherford B. Hayes was elected President over Samuel J. Tilden by one electoral vote 185 to 184 Even though Tilden got the popular vote. Hayes carried more states than Tilden.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1876_United_States_presidential_election
    F.Y.I. in 2016, Donald Trump got the electoral vote but Hilary Clinton got the popular vote and those are the facts. Simple as that.
     
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    There was no national vote in 1824 nor in 1876, there has never been such an election. Can you show me pictures of these national ballots where we all voted in one election?

    One segment of voters Trump will do well with this time around are voters who did not vote for him last time but did not vote for Hillary either, they knew Trump would win their state so did not need to vote for him. Didn't like and could believe he was the Republican nominee. But this time they will be going to their polling places or submitting their mail in just because of this false narrative of the left about Trump losing a national popular vote. I along with lots of my friends am one of those voters. Were it a single national election not only would the campaigning be totally different so would the voting patterns.

    So again tallying up the 51 separate and unique elections for electors in each state and declaring that a true and accurate reflection of a national popular vote for President that day is political and statistical folly.
     
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    Also a simple as that:
    The "popular vote" is the result of adding all 51 elections together, and while an interesting bit of trivia, is never certified by any electoral agency and has absolutely zero legal or electoral status.
     
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    No, we weren't headed there. Obama's election was the possible turning point. He created the space for himself with his campaign, then he didn't reach out.
    Obama isn't a Marxist, nor is there any evidence he is influenced by Marxist ideology.
    Where do you get this stuff? A lot of community organizing is done by moderates and conservatives. I organized several community responses.
    This is nonsense. I organized without having an enemy.
    No, he wasn't a "race and partisan divider." but he gave his opponents an opening to attack him.
     
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    I don't like the way states are handling the election, but Trump was trying to discourage Democrats from voting.
     
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    LoneStarGal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Seriously? How so?

    You get a ballot. You fill it out. You put it in the mail or a local ballot collection box. How could Trump discourage that regardless what he says?
     
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    It didn't matter then, it doesn't matter, now.

    The only thing you have going for you is the national interstate popular vote compact. If that is successful, the national tally of the individual elections will matter, since states are not required to even allow the citizens to vote. That will bring a whole new set of challenges.

    May we live in interesting times. I'm not sure I want to live in a state where my vote is less than irrelevant.
     
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    So you believe the popular vote was never discussed prior to trump? Democrats discussed it during Obama, many still believed that the EC is a failed mechanism. It has been tracked for generations...

    I user stand that you have to resort to personal attacks, I would too if I was trying to make such an untenable point.
     
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    Anything you can do to discourage the other side from voting is the key. Making people who would vote by mail, more often Democrats, feel their vote may not be counted will help Republicans.
    You're gaslighting.
     
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    It matters because it delegitimizes the entire political system. If Trump wins again with fewer votes than his opponent, a likely scenario if he does succeed, and he proceeds as he has in his first term, I think we may see unprecedented disruption by his opponents. Marching up and down the street will be the least of it. My guess for early direct political action? Young people will refuse to pay student loans.
     
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    That's not gaslighting. People may be anxious about their mail in vote not arriving on time or whatever, but that doesn't reduce the motivation to sit on one's rear end at home, fill it out, and mail it.
     
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    Hmmm. Yeah. Some journalists are already trying to intimidate people out of voting for Trump by threatening to burn everything down if he wins. It's the mob rule tactics, "Gee, you have a nice business (country) here. It would be a real shame if something bad happened to it."

    I'll see if I can find an article I read yesterday on that topic.
     
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    We're in pretty sad shape when people destroy things, and threaten future violence, because the "other half" of citizens won (or might win) an election.


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    https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/15/it-votes-biden-or-it-gets-the-riots-again/
     
  16. LangleyMan

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    Understanding how the system works doesn't mean people accept it.

    I think the problem with your position is that you don't seem to give a damn about the negative consequences of the system to average folks.

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    You have yours and that's all that counts.
    Trump did lose the popular vote.
    Now, there's a false narrative: Trump would win the popular vote if there was a direct national election.

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    How about opinion polls?
     
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    I am so pleased that we have the electoral college, otherwise this country would be dominated by the corruption of the cities.. as that is where an overwhelming majority of the vote fraud occurs
     
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    So, the Orange Oaf is a fool wasting his time suppressing votes...?
     
  19. LangleyMan

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    Ah, you pure country folks...

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    Propaganda Alert!

    Why don't you deal with what I wrote?
     
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    What? People are being threatened to vote for Biden? I didn't even know about that. That's not why I'm voting democrat this year. But, it certainly puts a stain on the tactics of this election.
     
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    You would have to give people a valid reason to vote for Trump for him to come close to clenching the Popular Vote in the first place.
     
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    You're not impressed are you? What I posted were true facts.
    In a United States presidential election, the popular vote is the total number or percentage of votes cast for a candidate by voters in the 50 states and Washington, D.C.; the candidate who gets the most votes nationwide is said to have won the popular vote. However, the popular vote is not used to determine who is elected as the nation's president or vice president. Thus it is possible for the winner of the popular vote to end up losing the election, an outcome that has occurred on five occasions, most recently in the 2016 election. This is because presidential elections are indirect elections; the votes cast on Election Day are not cast directly for a candidate, but for members of the Electoral College. The Electoral College's electors then formally elect the president and vice president. The Twelfth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides the procedure by which the president and vice president are elected.
     
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    The candidate that gets more electoral votes is declared the winner. It doesn't matter what percent of the popular vote the candidate gets. Simple as that.
     
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    Yes, Bush who was selected by the SCOTUS...which was positively shameful and the grifter squatting in The White House. The GOP can never win a popular vote which is why they will fight tooth and nail to keep the antiquated Electoral College. The USA...the only nation in the civilized world where the majority does not get to decide who their president is. Obviously, we are not actually civilized. smfh
     
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