Some wonder about my church. The latter day Saints LDS

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  1. CourtJester

    CourtJester Well-Known Member

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    What is toxic about not believing in something for which there is no actual evidence?
     
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    JakeStarkey Well-Known Member

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    There is no evidence, CourtJesteer, that God does not exist, thus you are operating by faith.
     
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    There's differences between the Church established in America, and the churches established in the Old World. But there is also a tremendous amount in common.

    When I read the Book of Mosiah there's a part of it that reads almost like an ancient creed (the creed was established when few could read, and it gave them a memorized base from which to discern orthodoxy from departure, that is, who to believe, and who not to believe or follow). That was good enough for me. I have never criticized the Mormon church after I read Mosiah. I have a high opinion of the LDS.
     
  4. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thank you for the regard since it has been due to others in my church well above my remarks.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I could allege there is no evidence of this or that and as it turns out, there is evidence, some are simply blind to it.

    It is like proving to you that atoms exist.
     
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    CourtJester Well-Known Member

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    Nope it isn't like proving atoms exist ( although I do doubt you have enough science to actually make that case ) But if you really think you have evidence for a god go ahead and post it. In these days of Trump a good laugh is always welcome.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Look, where you go off the rails is making it personal. This is not about me. I am well schooled in science and resent it when you make terrible assumptions. You connected God to Trump. That is so far off the mark I don't know what to tell you since you diverted is all.

    It takes a very unique piece of equipment to try to see atoms. And even seeing them, is that proof they truly are atoms?

    I look at the huge scope of the universe to decide GOD did it. I am not even saying GOD the same fashion as do the Catholics or other groups.

    It is difficult to explain to democrats due to them having the mindset that they already know it all. They shut their minds and trying to reopen them takes a damned pitchfork.

    Ask them what created the Atom and you get a buzzing sound.
     
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    Nope you made it personal by calling me blind to the evidence for god which you seem unable to actually produce.

    And the buzzing when the creation of atoms is discussed is saying god which is substituting one unknown for another. Honest people with science will say no one knows for certain.

    And this has to be about the silliest sentence ever posted by someone who claims a science background:

    " It takes a very unique piece of equipment to try to see atoms. And even seeing them, is that proof they truly are atoms? "
     
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    Mosiah is among the greatest of inspired writings in western civilization.

    Those who have tried to follow it have failed miserably.
     
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    You are blind, CJ, because you refused to prove that God does not exist.

    If that does not matter to you, then leave others alone who do believe, because at that point is not your busy body business.
     
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    Exactly -- failed just like every person who has ever tried to follow the Bible.
     
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    When god inspires others and gives a new revelation, things will change.
    Or is it that god hasn't inspired any one to write new revelations in 2000 yrs?
     
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    . . . or not follow it.
     
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    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    You know, most who ridicule your religion, are other christian religions. And aren't the majority of other christians, Republican? As told by every republican ever. Because liberals are all godless.
     
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    They call it the practice of Christianity because nobody ever gets it right or ever will get it right, all fall short.
     
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    Both are based on the same virgin birth of a 12-14 yr old virgin, called Mary. Who gave birth to Jesus.
    Your display on age just shows hypocritical judgement, IMO.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your comparison only shows your contempt for Christianity...nothing more. A different culture, a different time, by 2000 years, a different situation, as you said a virgin birth and the Holy Spirit was not out to build a Harem. Bring'um young had multiple wives selected and groomed from a very young age to build a harem and do his work.[​IMG]
     
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    Nope, it shows your biased hypocrisy.
    Thanks for playing.
    Unless you're suggesting God changes.
    I know society does, but I was under the impression for decades as a Christian, that God never changes.
    The God in question here, is the God of Abraham. Who had a wife and concubines.
    Many biblical leaders had multiple wives and/or concubines.
     
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    Not much dif between ol' Abraham and Breedum Young: horny old men.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sorry to dispel your ignorance but Abraham is not an example of "perfection" . He had several faults. So did King David. They were all men with clay feet. Just like you and me. Sure, they had leadership positions in the Bible but when you try to paint that every aspect of their lives is an example of Holy living you just show to the world your complete ignorance of what God would teach us through His Word. We learn through the failures of human nature. If you can't recognize that, you'll have no potential for improvement. Sorry dairy air....you should just be content to espouse the virtues of "atheism".
    In the beginning, it was one man and one women. That is always how God intended it to be.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Perhaps......and we should learn from their mistakes. If yours was an attempt to discredit what we can learn from the Bible....it failed.
     
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    Who says, yabberefugee? Unless you are a follower of Biblical literalism, you can't make that statement squarely.
     
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    guess you call me a literalist in a sense. I believe the precepts are all true as well as the examples. Abraham and others were all men and women prone to failure in different areas just as you and I.
     
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    Then, by those precedents and precepts, you are as fine with Brigham Young as Abraham.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Can we stick to actual voting parties and not slang terms?

    Perhaps as the representative of all other religions you can explain the bigotry against my church? Even with the other LDS group, not at all sanctioned by my church, they are also attacked. If it is over them having plural marriages, why the tolerance for homosexuals but not for males with several wives? Personally, non consenting women in my legal view amounts to raping them since they never consented. And the youth may feel powerless to consent. Still why do they call for "women's" rights when such rights ought to include marriage in a plural setting?

    Still my church is not attacked for plural marriages since it has long ago been outlawed by my church.

    Mom and Dad were not Godless yet devout Democrats. We never had family discussions speaking of these magical liberals. Democrats can't claim to be liberal. Not after they have hammered America with law upon law which is just plainly authoritarian.
     

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