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What did Brigham Young do wrong?

 

What would you have had Brigham Young do for all the widows created during the trip west to Salt Lake Valley?

When women moving west lost their husbands, as far as you can determine, what happened to the widows when they arrived at one of the settlements? How did they survive? How could they make any money? Women with children lost their husbands.

Brigham did not want them to be turned into prostitutes.

 

I was not the one who made a claim he did wrong. I am saying biblical literalists have to judge BY by the same lights as they judge Abraham.

That old canard, Robert, can't be supported even by modern LDS historians.

You suggest that in #127 to Paul Reeve, Reid Neilson, Boyd Petersen, Steve Snow the LDS Church Historian and a member of the Seventy - and they would just roll their eyes.

 

I am not a follower of Abraham. I am a follower of Jesus. Brigham Young is an apostate, a return to the old covenent, if you will, after the dispensation of Grace, which is a denial for which Christ laid down his life. It is a return to Temple worship after the veil was torn in two.
Abraham, as it is described in Hebrews, was justified by faith. That was the only way to salvation before the sacrifice that Jesus made. Abraham did not completely live a life that was pleasing to God, but he trusted God. No connection between Abraham And Brigham Young.

 

God didn't care, even encouraged Abraham to have a child with another woman.
They called him Ishmael. The father of the Islamic religion.
Sorry, you don't know the religion you believe in.

Jesus, is the supposed lineage of Abraham.
But if God isn't Jesus in the flesh, as the bible claims, you have a point. And you don't believe the bible.
But if Jesus is God in the flesh, then God changed or you twist the bible to fit your personal narrative.

 

No.....you twist the word obviously. The Bible states that Jesus is God come in the flesh and was conceived through the Holy Spirit. So Jesus is also of the lineage of David who had Uriah murdered. So what? He did not inherit that sin. He was without sin. I don't have a "religion". I have a faith in the Word of God and what it says.
Notice you said" But if Jesus is God in the flesh,"..... I emboldened "if" because the tactic you use is the same tactic used by Satan to tempt Jesus during his fast.

Tell you what dairyair, instead of trying to turn me from my faith, or convince others, why don't you take the challenge and start a thread extolling the virtues of Atheism?? I know there are others that would join you.

 

Voting parties in a thread about LDS? You want to continue with going OT in your very own thread?

 

I don't extol atheism.
I will agree with you, you have your very own religion. You may not follow a denominational religion, but you do have 1 you follow. Yours.
And you can make up whatever you need to make you believe what you want.
I am not trying to turn you from your faith, just trying to make clear what your faith is. I care not what anyone believes. For even mainstream christians who follow a set denomination still have to turn it into something that fits their very own belief of life.

Now I know you don't take the bible literally. But take bits and pieces, as most everyone does, so it can fit their own personal biases.

So don't say I twist the word, because you do to. And you admit it by claiming you have your special own belief.

 

It would be fun if we could have Brigham Young return to life and talk about you for a while.

 

I shall research since you did not explain. But I recall reading letters of women catching hot cannon ball in their skirts and coming back to the cannon so the balls could be fired back.

Also I recall the history of the Great Salt Lake Valley.

I asked what to do with the widows. Seems you don't know or you would have told us what to do.

 

That's a decent argument if not completely hitting every mark. Remember that Abraham lived long before Temple worship, which you mix up with the old covenant. Abraham and Young can easily be compared and contrasted.

 

There was not the problem you said. So I have every right to now ask "how many widows"? "To whom" were these widows married? I believe you believe LDS apologetics, which I understand fully why you would. Yes, please read up.

 

That wouldn't bother me at all. I would only say I am a sinner saved by Grace, and I would have questions for him about "Meadows Mountain Massacre". I'd love to see a hearing on that.

 

Then you are saying Young would also be judged according to the "law" yet he was not "justified" under the law of Grace because he denied that New Covenant.. Therefore Young was not justified by Faith as was Abraham. His teachings and example led millions astray.

 

Yes, you are correct about Abraham and Temple worship.....yet he knew the meaning of "blood sacrifice".

 

That is you merely saying it not me. You do not understand Abraham or Young in comparison is the point.

 

Apparently so did Young, though he did not (I think) practice it.

 

Since the poster claimed evidence it is fair to ask to see the evidence. Not my job to prove that god doesn't exist any more than I have to prove unicorns or ghosts or the Flying Spaghetti Monster don't exist. And while you are at it what do you think is toxic about athiesm and why would you call it a cult. Is it perhaps because you don't actually know the definition of a cult?

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I don't need anything of the sort, because I am not Mormon (which you imply wrongly), but the toxicity of the atheist cult does need all sorts of emotional goodies.

 

That is just silly. Prove to me that god is not a homocidal maniac.

 

Prove to me that S/He is a homicidal maniac.

Yep, buddy, you are a faith believer.

 

All of the churches (ain't none of them perfect) which still call upon the name of Jesus, use the Bible, and teach and command their members to follow the Ten should form a national alliance based on this (there should be certain standards to keep out the prosperity preachers and the wackos), what they agree upon and forget the minor disagreements when in session, and present a united national front and voting block based upon Christian morality.

Or each church is going to get picked off one by one.

When you're divided the conquering is easy.

 

Um how about the flood. Or the red sea incident. Or the killing of the egyptian firstborn. Or the plague of locusts. And we won't even discuss Job or Soddom and Gomorrah.

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Well gee whiz, that's taking all of the fin out of it.

 

Let me pretend for the post to be a believer. If God's law changes or needs clarification, the person receiving the revelation will write a new text. It's what Muhammad did. Editing the existing text is a betrayal to history and lying to believers of their origins. If older revelation is flawed or obsolete, just let the old documents sit and collect dust if it is not to be read again.

I do not appreciate the Joseph Smith "Inspired" translation slipping in a verse prophesying about Joseph himself as well as omitting the Song of Solomon.

 

So you do believe. OK.