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  1. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What he wants to "win" is to keep the Dems from raising taxes on the super-rich, which has caused the US to have to the highest Income Disparity of any developed country on earth!

    Open wider your eyes and see the unfairness - for instance, see here Income Disparity by economically similar nations (OECD) ...
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    [QUOTE="spiritgide, post: 1071409339, member: 70923]
    While we see all this hogwash about a mostly partisan acquittal, the left doesn't want to mention that he was acquitted of charges brought in a totally partisan way, that failed to meet the legal definitions of crimes.
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    Blah, blah, blah.

    He was patently against the present law regarding government aid to foreign countries when he withheld funds that should have gone to the Ukraine (that was fighting Russia at the time on its own territory).

    That fact is undisputed. He broke the law! Get it ... ?
     
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  3. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, and I happen to live in one of those countries, where I and my family enjoy the benefits of a National Healthcare System (NHS)and free Post-secondary Education for our kids.

    By which is meant these two facts:
    *My lifespan is likely to reach 83 years of age, about four years more than yours in the US largely due to the NHS. And,
    *My kids have graduated from state-financed universities where their annual fees were $978 (in euros) and not $14K in an American state university.

    You've got blinders on ... !
     
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    No worries, I don’t know what county you’re from because you failed to reveal that fact but I have many Canadiens as clients and ALL of them tell me that their “free” health care is not only not free but nearly impossible to use. The wait list is so long that the majority of Canadiens that can afford to pay cash will come to the states to have their procedures done. Also those clients compare the costs of goods and services between the two countries and it’s not even close. Irregardless of the monetary exchange rate basic necessities such as food and gas are 50% to 100% higher in costs all due to taxes.

    By the way, the US has free govt run healthcare for millions of Americans. Its called the VA. The VA has received failing grades in nearly every aspect of operations. Numerous military vets have died while awaiting for their free healthcare. Thankfully Trump has given the Vets choice of medical service. What country do you reside in?
     
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    How about we start with the fact that Trump or his council were not allowed to join in questioning any of the witnesses? By the time that they were "invited" was after all the witnesses were already been questioned and Jerry Nadler asked them to come on the day that his committee questioned 2 questionable constitutional scholars and one that didn't like Trump but tried to be neutral. 3 days after that the Articles were written up.

    How about the rules themselves? Where House Dems had to approve of all questions and any witnesses called by Republicans? Trump haters like to claim that the Senate Republicans wouldn't allow witnesses and yet they did the same exact thing to the Republicans in the HoR.
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Blah, blah, blah.

    He was patently against the present law regarding government aid to foreign countries when he withheld funds that should have gone to the Ukraine (that was fighting Russia at the time on its own territory).

    That fact is undisputed. He broke the law! Get it ... ?[/QUOTE]


    So, when Biden did what Trump is accused of openly to get their investigator off his kids case and bragged about it, was different.
    The fact that the Ukraine people didn't even realize there has been any hold at all is irrelevant.
    The fact they openly say there was no leverage of conditions stated in regards to the money is irrelevant.
    The fact that the only people who say Trump broke the law are people who hate Trump and will say anything to support an attack...... is irrelevant.

    A lot like your case here- nothing relevant in it at all.

    If you can't understand why equal justice is something we afford to people despite our personal bias... That IS relevant. Americans are not supposed to think that way. Honorable people don't think that way.
     
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    Was there an election due within 9 months with Nixon and Clinton? The Senate decided not to seek witnesses not because of worry about delays but because they did not want anything else to be seen or heard.
     
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    That doesn't even come close to addressing what I said. It's nine months away no matter who litigates Senate or House. Both Nixon and Clinton were impeached in their second terms.
     
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    Nixon was not impeached. Nine months is relevant because Trump could easily have dragged the process out well past nine months and after the November 3rd this year when hopefully Team USA will flush the turd.
     
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    Wrong. It is not the job of the Senate to investigate. The House had a phony case.
     
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    Doesn't matter a damn nine months is still nine months whether the house does the litigation or the Senate does it and it isn't the senates job to investigate.
     
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    It is the obligation of every Senator to act faithfully on the oath they took at the start of the 'Trial.'
     
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    It is the Senate's job to act faithfully in accordance with the Constitution and that is to do justice to and for Team USA, not Team Trump.
     
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    They did they judged the impeachment case brought before found it wanting on the merits and acquited
     
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    And walked away from ensuring that all the available evidence was seen and/or heard. In fact, stood directly in the way of ensuring that....quite the opposite, they suppressed the truth. That's the way History will record it.
     
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    And I would prefer that I fall into a ridiculously easy job making 1,000 dollars a day.

    But what I (or you) prefer doesn't really matter.
     
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    At the polling booth OH, YES, IT DOES ... !
     
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    He broke the law by attempting to force a foreign country to do his electioneering bidding by withholding funds that had been VOTED by both Chambers of Congress.

    You're misunderstanding of the rudiments of national-law as regards National Spending are very evident ...
     
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    THAT point is legally disputable. They had no right NOT to hear the convincing evidence of Bolton.

    One must be blind to WANT to not see the consequences of further witness explanations at the Senate hearing. It SMELLS OF A ROTTEN COVER-UP FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES - namely the upcoming elections that might well give us four-more-years of Donald Dork.

    Heaven help Uncle Sam, who's gone off the deep end ... !
     
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    2 rankings of world's best healthcare systems

    *Mirror, mirror:
    *The Bloomberg annual study, Most Efficient Health Care 2018, ranked no less than 56 countries. Asia is the big winner of these rankings.
    Your blindness to the factual evidence is glaring ...
     
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    No where near your misunderstanding of the events you wish to call criminal.

    1. Bidens candidacy was virtually irrelevant, and that is obvious by his poll position. He was not a threat, no need to do what you claim. Trump sure as hell didn't need any help.
    2. The appearance of corruption that involved the Bidens, especially when he held the office of VP- is not just clear-cut, it's absolute with Biden on video bragging about it.
    He actually DID what Trump didn't do that you accuse Trump of.
    3. The president has a duty to the nation to oversee the way our money is gifted, to be aware of potential corruption, and to seek investigation into that corruption- especially when it involves members of our own
    government. He had not only the right, but the duty to request the Ukraine to look into it.
    The Obama administration had done so, secretly- and swept it under the rug. The whistleblower on that is a Ukraine official, and is now willing to testify.
    4. The fact that a person has filed for office does not give them an immunity; make them untouchable and exempt from the laws- just the opposite, it is more important they be held to it.
    5. Hillary as a candidate for office and the DNC which backed her actually paid for the dossier to be created specifically to create the appearance that a foreign country was involved in supporting Trump.
    Now THAT WAS A CRIME. Of course, that's different to you, because it was an attack on the candidate you hated, by the one you favored.

    When bias controls your judgement. your values, your opinion- you have no relevant judgment, no rational opinion. You actually become the supporter of injustice- and tell yourself you are righteous.
    How convenient- and sadly, how common on the left.
     
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    Blah, blah, blah response of no cogency whatsoever.

    The fact remains that DD was employing government funds in the Ukraine to obtain information that would help in his own reelection candidature (announced since his second day in office).

    Absurd responses such as yours cited above are no reason whatsoever to believe that Donald Dork is "Snow White".

    He isn't. He has been since a very early age diagnosed with narcissism and he is showing it blatantly today. And a naive American public laps-it-up willingly.

    All democracies deserve the political management for which they vote and place in office. When this current economic-expansion meets its peaks-out next year, his economic "magic" will be shown for what it was - a blip-n-bust.

    The actual history of the Great Recession and its consequences goes like this:
     
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    It was politics that saves Trump, plane and simple. There is a need of an overwhelming vote, a vote of the majority required to unseat an Impeached President and those who voted in the impeachment trial are the representatives of the American electorates, they were also chosen as per majority of votes.
     
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    NO, they were NOT chosen "per a majority of votes"!

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/08/democrats-republicans-senate-majority-minority-rule

    GOP Senate seats represent a MINORITY of the electorate!

    The criminal IMPOTUS was IMPOSED on the nation by the RIGGED Electoral College where a MINORITY overruled the WILL of We the People and the GOP COWARDS in the Senate who FAILED to hold a fair trial represent a MINORITY of the electorate.

    FACTS matter!
     
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    We all hope that there will come a day where democrats and the leftists will return to participate in common sense logic- stop evading reality, dodging the obvious, supporting the most unlikely, and just flat-out manufacturing their own imaginary world. We can hope, but as this charge to oblivion continues unabated, hope is fading.
     
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