Spoiled brat

Blah, blah, blah.

Borrrrinnnnnnggggggggg !

 

Educated people understand why the Electoral College system was created and also why this is not a true democracy of Mob Rule.

 

Apparently even more boring than the left's chain losing streak and passion for beating dead horses - which seems both endless and pointless, but they continue to flail away....
Logic has no place in today's democratic philosophy. Sad.

 

You are naive.

The people of whom you are referring in the Senate also REFUSED to hear detailed information pertinent to the impeachment of the PotUS, and especially that of John Bolton. Which will be published inevitably. Remember, Bolton was Donald Dork's National Security Advisor and therefore someone very knowledgeable regarding the Dork's "secrets".

There is rarely any "overwhelming" votes in politics. (Not even in the presidential election that gave Hillary Clinton the popular-vote win* by a healthy 2% margin. Any issue is too formally divisive and typically sparks much more animosity than truths!)

Bolton's book is not the only attempt at showing this incompetent presidency for what it is - incompetent!

He has reduced upper-income taxation with the sole purpose of provoking "donations" to his reelection committee. As if the presidency was an election for "Best Actor" at the Oscars. The man is all "show" and has no political ethic beyond assuring that those billionaires like him are safe from higher-taxation ...

PS: Aside from being declared mentally ill (by numerous psychologists); ie., he's a bonafide narcissist..

From here:

*Yes, yes, I know very well that the Dork won the election in the Electoral College, which is manifestly a manipulation of the popular-vote with its "winner-take-all-EC-votes" rule. How would you like your vote for the president trashed because you did not vote for the popular-vote winner in your state? Pray, do tell me!

 

Yes, the above is true - but the Electoral College does not vote for Senators. (It seems from the above you are making the assumption that they do?)

They are voted in-state and there are only two-slots. Moreover, their voting is not subject to Gerrymandering. (And the Electoral College votes only the PotUS into power.)

 

Then hang up yours, please ...

 

Allow me to clarify.

The EC "majority" that imposed the criminal IMPOTUS on the nation came from the Red states with a MINORITY of the population.

 

HOFELLER

Thanks for the clarification. Yes, you're right.

And believe me, that was no just happenstance. The person chiefly responsible (Stephen Hofeller) for that outcome recently died (see here). The Replicants had hired an expert in EC-voting who was responsible for devising the political tactics (what, when, and where) in order to achieve that outcome. (I think the Replicants will be declaring shortly his "sainthood". ;^)

Hofeller's files are publicly available here having been made so by his daughter subsequent to his death. They are highly revealing and describe his work at state levels to promote Replicant candidates. Moreover, there is an abundance of articles that have appeared regarding his work. Just google his name.

And here's one more from the New York Times: Deceased G.O.P. Strategist’s Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question

And yet another: Republicans Plan to Rig Elections for a Decade

And another: THE SECRET FILES OF THE MASTER OF MODERN REPUBLICAN GERRYMANDERING

 

How do you know that without an investigation?

 

Hilarious to hear a Democrat complain about gerrymandering. Your side has been using gerrymandering for decades to sustain power.

And we are not a democracy. We are a constitutional republic based upon democratic ideals.

There’s a good reason why we have the electoral college. And the states with a tiny population would never agree to be part of a country in which their voices are completely irrelevant.

 

I think you are confusing free speech with something more barnyard in nature. Come back when you can engage brain, logic and mouth simultaneously.

 

As usual, half a story is no story at all, it's BS selected to support a chosen view to the individuals benefit- a re-defining of things to suit their objective and ignore all else.
IF you care about truth, you educate yourself on the process you question- not just jump on any effect you think harms just you. The EC does work the same for both sides, it is hardly a trick. The fact the dems now point to the popular vote is totally due their loss. Had they won in the reverse circumstances, they would be defending it. It's the double-standard they have locked into now for a long time.

Educate yourself:

The Reason for the Electoral College
https://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/the-reason-for-the-electoral-college/

Q: Why does the U.S. have an Electoral College?

A: The framers of the Constitution didn’t trust direct democracy.


FULL QUESTION:

Why does the United States have an Electoral College when it would be so easy to directly elect a president, as we do for all the other political offices?

FULL ANSWER:

When U.S. citizens go to the polls to “elect” a president, they are in fact voting for a particular slate of electors. In every state but Maine and Nebraska, the candidate who wins the most votes (that is, a plurality) in the state receives all of the state’s electoral votes. The number of electors in each state is the sum of its U.S. senators and its U.S. representatives. (The District of Columbia has three electoral votes, which is the number of senators and representatives it would have if it were permitted representation in Congress.) The electors meet in their respective states 41 days after the popular election. There, they cast a ballot for president and a second for vice president. A candidate must receive a majority of electoral votes to be elected president.

The reason that the Constitution calls for this extra layer, rather than just providing for the direct election of the president, is that most of the nation’s founders were actually rather afraid of democracy. James Madison worried about what he called “factions,” which he defined as groups of citizens who have a common interest in some proposal that would either violate the rights of other citizens or would harm the nation as a whole. Madison’s fear – which Alexis de Tocqueville later dubbed “the tyranny of the majority” – was that a faction could grow to encompass more than 50 percent of the population, at which point it could “sacrifice to its ruling passion or interest both the public good and the rights of other citizens.” Madison has a solution for tyranny of the majority: “A republic, by which I mean a government in which the scheme of representation takes place, opens a different prospect, and promises the cure for which we are seeking.”

As Alexander Hamilton writes in “The Federalist Papers,” the Constitution is designed to ensure “that the office of President will never fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications.” The point of the Electoral College is to preserve “the sense of the people,” while at the same time ensuring that a president is chosen “by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice.”

In modern practice, the Electoral College is mostly a formality. Most electors are loyal members of the party that has selected them, and in 26 states, plus Washington, D.C., electors are bound by laws or party pledges to vote in accord with the popular vote. Although an elector could, in principle, change his or her vote (and a few actually have over the years), doing so is rare.

As the 2000 election reminded us, the Electoral College does make it possible for a candidate to win the popular vote and still not become president. But that is less a product of the Electoral College and more a product of the way states apportion electors. In every state but Maine and Nebraska, electors are awarded on a winner-take-all basis. So if a candidate wins a state by even a narrow margin, he or she wins all of the state’s electoral votes. The winner-take-all system is not federally mandated; states are free to allocate their electoral votes as they wish.

The Electoral College was not the only Constitutional limitation on direct democracy, though we have discarded most of those limitations. Senators were initially to be appointed by state legislatures, and states were permitted to ban women from voting entirely. Slaves got an even worse deal, as a slave officially was counted as just three-fifths of a person. The 14th Amendment abolished the three-fifths rule and granted (male) former slaves the right to vote. The 17th Amendment made senators subject to direct election, and the 19th Amendment gave women the right to vote.

 

I have to agree and stand corrected, so it's really the Founders imposed processes that exonerated Trump.

 

We could not do anything for as per the rules 2/3 vote is required and the prosecution side lacks that power.

 

Ironic coming from criminal IMPOTUS supporters demanding the presumption of innocence.

 

If the GOP reached out to blacks and hispanics they would no longer have "tiny populations" in those Red states.

 

The process worked because he was exonerated. The impeach was partisan to begin with and had relatively no substance.

 

Please explain. You make no sense whatsoever.

You are in a DEBATE forum; - not a Message Board! So, be careful!

One-liner rebuttals are nonsensical and a great fad in the US. Which is why people keep shouting them at one another.

All of which it tantamount to dogs barking at one another .. !

 

NARCISSISTIC PERSONALITY DISORDER

You're blind to the facts, like so many who are spoon-fed the Replicant-diet.

There was NO FACTUAL DEBATE preceding the Senate vote on the matter. None! Zilch! Nada! McConnell intended that that there be NO DEBATE - which is profound exchange of factual opinion. THAT DID NOT HAPPEN!

Which was "according to plan" because - above all - the Replicants did not want Bolton to present his "case" against Donald Dork. And who would know better what the Dork was up to if not his foremost Special Adviser at the time the events in question happened?

And so? So this:
*We have a born-&-bred narcissistic individual that we-the-wonks voted into the presidency by means of a corrupted Electoral College that did NOT VOTE the nation's popular-vote winner of the presidency!
*If you are unfamiliar with his mental illness, then learn from here:Mayo Clinic: Narcissistic personality disorder:

*Moreover, from here: 350 health professionals sign letter to Congress claiming Trump's mental health is deteriorating dangerously amid impeachment proceedings

Uncle Sam has a mentally defective individual as PotUS. Now YOU explain to me how it is "otherwise" ... !

 

Because Biden's son got the job in the Ukraine through his father's contacts.

That happens ALL THE TIME in politics! It's not good, but it is endemic to the profession.

And it is our-fault because we elect the wrong people! That is, good-looking professionals with a solid message who submit to their "inner instincts" in order to benefit monetarily from their privileged status ...

 

I believe we are the "political opinion and beliefs forum", the upper house which is the senate requires 2/3 vote from it's entire body to convict Trump and that does not require lengthy explanation for it's quite simple and understandable. Let's keep the discussion civilized.

 

and with the majority of the HoR

Who will be the Majority in the Senate too, after November

Enjoy your little triumph now. It is the last time Republicans will hold ANY political power for a very long time

(Oh, and Trump will go to jail for a lengthy stay in March of 2021, May at the latest, the ONLY reason he is not in jail now is that there is a memo prohibiting the indictment of a sitting President, which Trump will not be after Jan of 2021. It has NOTHING to do with him being exonerated of guilt)

 

In Hunter Biden's case, there's nothing even wrong with it. Burisma is an energy company and needs someone who is well versed in the LEGAL navigation of the regulations it must obey. Biden is the son of a man who has written energy regulation for the largest consumer of such energy in the world for the last 30 years. Bloody hell, why SHOULDN'T they hire him? He could save them millions, 50large a month is cheap

What he's doing is no more a corrupt exploitation of his position than would be a biographer writing of his famous father

 

To start I agree there was no worthwhile debate that took place before the senate vote. That includes the house debates to impeach him.

Factual opinion? Lol interesting facts can be right or wrong can opinions?

The electoral college is not corrupt from what I've seen.

https://www.nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/in-defense-of-the-electoral-college

Electoral college is in the constitution and since democrats have no need for the constitution other than kindling i know your mind won't change about it. Your just mad you lost.

Trump is not diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder. That's a fact.
https://www.statnews.com/2017/09/06/donald-trump-mental-illness-diagnosis/
Here is some help. I assume your not a trained professional in prescribing mental illness to people.

The 350 person link-
I would like to see their voting records
I am assuming none of them have sat down with him and had a good baseline let alone 2 encounters with him.
First reported by the British independent. You gave a france link. Only 3 doctors were noted none met trump and they didnt release the person that released the info to them. All sounds like opinions and slander. No substantial evidence at all.

Why do you quote otherwise?

 

PART ONE RESPONSE

So what? Your presuming that the father's experience has somehow brushed off on his son. No - it's damn well apparent what was happening. The Ukraine government asked Biden himself to help, but he could not because he knew he would be a candidate for office!

So, (and I am thinking aloud), he suggested his son who was the Message-Boy on behalf of his father who was doing the actual "advisory work".

The Ukrainians were playing a game that the Ukraine knows very well from kissing Russia's ass in order to obtain "favors" - and they figured they should try it out on Uncle Sam. And, why not?