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Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by LafayetteBis, Feb 7, 2020.

  1. Kal'Stang

    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    And yet, they still did not issue a subpoena. And so what if he would file a lawsuit? That is his prerogative.

    So what? Is a quid pro quo illegal? Is it a violation of any rules? Did you call for the impeachment of Obama when he authorized Biden to tell Ukraine's government that they had better fire that guy or they would be denied the 1 billion dollars that Congress authorized, and Obama signed? Did the Dems in Congress? No they didn't. They approved of it. Or how about when Trump threatened to withhold aid from Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador unless they started cooperating with immigration issues? Did the Dems holler then and try and impeach him? Of course not. Why? Well, I won't say that they "approved" of it. Because I doubt that they did. But guess what, they still didn't call for Trumps impeachment. Why? Because it is not illegal. It is not against the rules. Every President has done the same things.

    So...so what if Trump wanted a quid pro quo.

    What you have to prove, and what the Dems had to prove, and they didn't, was whether or not Trump did what he did in order to influence the 2020 election. Opinions that that is what he wanted is not proof. Especially in a process that would overturn millions of voters votes.
     
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    Why did the House Dems not get testimony from such an important witness?

    Either they are incompetent or they knew he had nothing and were only playing political theater for their little fan base, like you.
     
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    Their subpoena would hold no power anyway as the Congress does not have the power to override executive privilege and they, not he would have to file suit in order to obtain a judicial order.
     
  4. Kal'Stang

    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I know this. I've said the same before. I'm just tired of correcting people on it. Either way it works in favor of adding the courts into the mix as they are the ones that are the arbiters of disputes between Congress and the Executive Branch.
     
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    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Interesting how people see things differently.
    Maybe a better question to ask yourself,
    Am I better off today than in Niv. 2016?
     
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    It would have taken longer to enforce the subpoena than the time to the election. Just more proof that the system has utterly failed.

    You now have a king responsible to no law.
     
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    It would take the same time for the senate.
    Worthless argument
     
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    HereWeGoAgain Banned

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    The important question is, is the country better off. When someone robs a bank they are better off. When someone kills someone else for the insurance money, they are better off. When you trash the laws and balloon the deficit for the sake of a quick buck, you are temporarily better off.

    <Rule 2>

    And trump hasn't done nearly as well as Obama, who drove down unemployment by 5 points and saw the Dow nearly triple, while he was in office. Trump has barely moved the needle because we were already doing great.
     
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    Yes, I know you have.
    Just reaffirming your position for other readers' benefit.
     
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    We handed trillion$ to the richest men in the world for 8 years straight, for temporary benefit.
    I disagreed with it then and now
     
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    Trump N.E.V.E.R. asserted executive privilege.

    He asserted absolute immunity.
     
  12. Thirty6BelowZero

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    Democrats have been trying to sink their claws in Trump since 2015. They've attacked him daily and have stooped so low that they've even impeached without evidence of crimes, going by only things they've made up with their House members/managers that were most expendable.

    Trump's "too big to fail" ego is the reason this country is flourishing everywhere except inside the DNC. 225,000 more jobs were added last month. This is the kind of news that hits democrats like nails on a chalkboard, and just as cringe-worthy to them. The more you push the message you're pushing, the more you push your own people to our party.

    Keep up the good work.
     
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    Ever hear of expedited hearings? The Congress can ask for such and the courts usually agree to them. Why didn't they?

    The system didn't fail. The Dems just failed to avail themselves of the whole system.
     
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    Imagine that. Another democrat who thinks the Constitution is worthless.
     
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    Thirty6BelowZero Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Another informative post. Every republican Senate member crapped on the oath except the guy who voted with the side I support.
     
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    They did issue subpoenas against at least 10 other individuals, all of whom had relevant information and all of whom refused to comply because of a standing order from Trump to keep their mouth shut.

    For months, the Trump defense was based almost exclusively on the fact that there was no quid pro quo and certainly not one for the military aid. And now, after we have explicit and direct evidence in support of that assertion, the defense has become "so what?"

    Do you honestly and truly believe that there is no problem associated with permitting the President to encourage investigations against a domestic political rival by using Congressionally authorized military funds as leverage? That your only limiting factor is proof that Trump did so "in order to influence the 2020 election?" Setting aside the fact that there is a mountain of evidence, both circumstantial and direct, like the fact that he never raised the issue of Biden until after Biden announced his candidacy - why would you willingly allow such a massive and gaping invitation to act in such a corrupt manner?

    The other attempts to rail against times that Quid Pro Quo was used to further an official US policy are not applicable because the benefit sought was OFFICIAL US POLICY.

    And you know it.
     
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    I.R.R.E.L.E.V.A.N.T to the fact that the HoR never even tried to subpoena Bolton.
     
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    Trump will pick the next SCOTUS Justice when Ruthie retires. Get over it. Foist you hate on Harry Reid for eliminating the filibuster for judicial nominees.
     
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    Them's are the breaks. Next time get someone with a sliver of a Brain to manage the impeachment.
     
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    It is absolutely relevant.

    Trump's assertion of absolute immunity is the reason why Bolton said he would not voluntarily testify and why he threatened to file a lawsuit should the House issue a subpoena.
     
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    90% of people disagree with you. But keep believing that till the Democrats lose BIG in November.
     
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    "We have to let the voters decide whether Trump cheated in the election."

    - Republicans
     
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    Whatever happened to guilty until proven innocent?
     
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    As I said, interesting how people see things differently. Sorry for your tragic 2016 landslide election loss. I wish you well in 2024.
     
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    Thirty6BelowZero Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They had to find people that were expendable in case they got exposed. One thing democrats have always kept in their back pocket is a gaggle of democrat puppets that can be tossed under the bus - to save top democrats - if needs be.
     
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