Study;' Bible more violent than the Qur’an

Yes, and it is very dangerous when some religious fanatics base their identity on this violent stories from this book.

 

What you have posted is blasphemy to faithful Muslims. To them the Holy Quran is the literal word of God. If your identity were known a fatwa would be placed on you and your life would be forfeit.

 

I doubt it somehow.

I think there would be about as much chance as a Christian lunatic doing the same.

Besides, they can believe in whatever illogical and non evidenced based stories that they wish. But there is a good arguement for saying that to trust someone to make a sound judgement, who literally believes that Eve was magically created out of a rib, for the amusement of Adam, that 'god' put a snake in the 'garden of eden', to tempt them(??), this would be before they knew the difference between right and wrong, then after they were tempted, he punished the snake....by telling it it could crawl on it's belly, there is a good argument for saying that anyone with a literal take on that line, is by definition, incapable of logical and sound judgement.


PS - Maybe snakes used to hover?

 

Well for starters he heard voices supposedly from an angel today we call that auditory hallucinations and it is a well known fact that he screwed Aisha when she was only 9 today we call that pedophilia, and it is also a well known fact that he slaughtered or forced into exile all of the Banu Jewish tribes of the Arabian peninsula, today we call that genocide and ethnic cleansing.

To spread Islam by the sword as per OBL's own words:

"I was ordered to fight the people until they say there is no god but Allah, and his prophet Muhammad."

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BIN112A.html

That's from the Hadith not the Koran, the Koran clearly says slay the infidel.

 

I am a great believer in this.

Let us say that you took a boy of around six.

And you educated him at a school that taught history and politics, from a 30's and 40's German perspective.

Once he left school, he then went to college, to study history and politics, from the perspective of Nazi Germany.

He became so enthused, that in his spare time, he consumed book after book of Nazi idealogy, science, etc, etc.

Do you think, like me, that if one is exposed to a doctrine that in itself is toxic, that the person over exposing themselves to it can become twisted by it?

I think that explains a lot of religous fundamentalism.

 

As I have illustrated, it is prevelant in the OT, as well. And Catholic Priests are not allowed to have sex with women, which is fine, because they bugger boys instead, while some Jewish rabbi's, despite it spreading disease, still like to suckle the penis of a new born baby.

You are entirely right to apply the scientific line, that said.

It is curious to me that those prepared to believe the auditory or visual hallucinations, absurd claims, and deluded ramblings, of men that lived 2000 years ago, or even more, would be the same people to dismiss deluded ramblings, or the auditory/visual delusions, of those that are alive today!

Maybe there are psychiatric wards across the World that are really full of misunderstood 'prophets'.

 

Google the name Molly Norris. If you post blasphemy someone will place a fatwa on you just like Molly Norris and Salman Rushdie.

 

I'm ALMOST in agreement with you. It sounds very tempting to take this position. However, Isaac Newton fits your description. And I would not say he was incapable of "logical and sound judgment." People compartmentalize beliefs. One of my old political sciences professors told us a story about a friend she had who was a brilliant engineer. But this friend, when she would go to the voting booth, would do eeny, meeny, miny, moe to determine which candidate to vote for. Clearly, since her friend was an engineer, she was definitely not lacking in logic. But her process for voting was horrendous. That's why I think the argument ultimately fails. Compartmentalizing different areas of belief allows people to be exceptional in some areas, and lacking in others.

 

I'll take my chances, and keep on posting my views.

That said, I do believe that there are minor and average cartoonists, who, simply to provoke a reaction, go out of their way, not to shape a genuine view, but to portray religous figures in an insulting a way as possible.

I don't think there is any excuse to use violence against someone doing the cartoon, but I would question the motives of that person drawing it, for sure.

German illustrators etc of the day, long before persecution of undesirable really got going, they used such methods in order to reinforce a message to German people, of the time.

 

Absolutely true, yes they do.

Which is how a rational, logical and college educated person can curiously behave irrationally and illogically, in this ONE area of their life - by sectioning off reason and logic, in order that the delusion work.

Anything which threatens to shatter the delusion is either attacked or dismissed. Any delusion which is a delusion other than your delusion, is attacked or dismissed.

 

Provocation is part of the right to free speech. Blasphemy against Islam by a non-Muslim is political speech. The right to free speech is the indispensible tool of individual liberty. It cannot be subjected to restrictions imposed out of a sense of politically correct censorship.

 

With it comes responsibility, right?

I may think the man on the train, that his wife is really ugly.

Would it be right of me to announce that, on said train, in front of them both?

Could I complain if I got a bad reaction?

I am sick of loud mouthed Yanks passing passing hate speech off as free speech, and demanding the right, with their very loud voices, to be able to verbally abuse strangers, without taking responsibility.

 

The parameters of free speech are more limited in the UK than in America. After all, Britain lacks a written constitution. In contrast America is governed by a Constitution which enshrines freedom of speech in the First Amendment. America's written Constitution is supported by judicial interpretations of the right to free speech which are expansive.

In America one cannot incite a mob to immediate on the spot violence, but short of that virtually anything can be said without prior restraint by local, state or the federal govt. There is a deep revulsion toward censorship in America.

In America one must make a distinction between censorship by govt. and action by private individuals. If I call all Muslims foolish moon worshipers I incur no liability in America, and govt. cannot stop me from uttering those words, nor punish me after the fact.

 

If it is fact, post your proof... Lol

You bring up Bin Laden... The man who constantly denied any involvement in 9/11 and other than a few fake videos denied it until his death between 2001 and 2011... How would it make sense for al-Qaida to fly airplanes into buildings to force convert Americans? Even though one result of 9/11 was an increase in Muslim converts, it had little to do with al-Qaida and more to do with the media's anti-Islam agenda following 9/11. If you really believe 9/11 was done to spread Islam I actually feel sorry for you.

Why would I quote Muhammad (PBUH) by using the Quran? The Quran isn't Muhammad's (PBUH) words, the Hadiths are like documentaries of his life. So, I quoted a Hadith. You said Muhammad (PBUH) never said anything like that. I showed you he did. The Quran clearly says fight the infidels who are attacking and persecuting you, until they stop! That's called self-defence. If you are against Muslim self-defence, well that's really unfortunate for yourself.

سلام

 

There is no god but Alla and Muhamad is his Pedophile.

 

And warlord...
and sheep (*)(*)(*)(*)er...

 

From a recent stand-up comedy sketch;

"Hey, Joseph, while you were at work today god came and made me pregnant "

It almost lends your fabricated paedophilia a sense of honesty.

 

Every time I read a post that ends this way, another brain cell commits suicide.

Feel free to say NOTHING about the non Muslim predisposition for paedophila, human sacrifice, and endorsement of slavery, as evidenced in my previous posts.

Strange how you single out only one, and remain silent to the rest.

Just a blip, I am sure.

 

And another brain cell reaches for the pills...

 

Look who's talking....

 

Wow.

I have never been as cut down at the knees, as I have by this truly innovative rebutal.

Well done.

 

2 bullcrap made up books.

Woohoo!!!

 

As a child at school the teachers followed standard curriculum with a few Bible lessons - apart from the nice stories , it didnt grab my soul. Llater having heard of the Koran - I tried reading a translation didnt find it all that interesting , perhaps much was lost in translation. Nevertheless , I couldnt finish reading - either book -cover to cover.


I gave up .on the Bible + Koran, and finally settled on Cervantes' - Don Quixote - which I managed to read and enjoy. -


I concluded that - Theology is best left to theologians . and stick with Sancho Panza .

LOL

 

Notwithstanding - I feel that it is good to have a grasp of said books, to some level.

Helps when a fundie is attacking you, using scripture, and helps to spot when racists are inventing quotes from the Koran, AS THEY DO.

Other than that, both have about as much factual value as Alice In Wonderland.

 

I totally agree

cheers ...