Study;' Bible more violent than the Qur’an

Would that be the same kind of auditory hallucinations suffered by Adam, Enoch, Noah, Moses, Hagar, Abraham, Moses, Balaam, Israel(Jacob), Gideon, Manoah, Mary, Joseph....etc?

 

The Bible does have a lot of violence in it, but the difference is that most of it is ignored by modern Jews and Christians, while Muslims still stone people for adultery, and kill people for apostasy.

 

I think you ought to stand back and view the world scene. Who is it that has killed millions during the 20th and 21st centuries ? Who is it that is planning your next war right now ?

 

Show me one verse in the Quran that says to stone people for any reason or what the punishment for apostasy is.

Good luck

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List all predominantly Muslim nations who do this?

Cheers.

I don't think the Hebrew god of the OT's love of deceit, killing, genocide, blood lust and human sacrifice is 'ignored' by modern Jews at all, esp not so called 'Israeli Jews'.

On the contrary, I think their actions are often entirely in keeping with the psychopathic and vengful god of the OT, don't you?

 

SO you just ignore the fact your beloved sharia countries stone people to death for adultry? Of course you do after all you consider the Palestinians "victims" when in reality they are a group of terrorists run by a terrorist group. Im so staunch supporter of Israel but they should just drive them back into the Mediterranean.

 

No, I don't ignore the genuine reports of brutality from elements attaching themselves to the Islamic community- but the discussion was of violence and I pointed out that judeo-christian warmongers have put all other brutal despots to shame over the past two centuries. If you want to dispute that you're going to look rather silly.

 

It's news to me that 'Moon' finds Sharia to be 'beloved'.

On what grounds do you make such an assertion?

Still, I guess by the same token when you use, not stones, but full scale bombings to bomb people to death for NOTHING, you are doing the work of your violent ****w god, the one that approves of human sacrifice and rape?

 

Wise man say...' When opponent is making fool of himself do not interfere '

 

That would be the same mindset as thinks that if you are not against Muslims, you therefore are a Muslim, maybe?

 

Bugger is that if people don't deny assumptions..it tends to be interpreted and promulgated as agreement rather than !...and then gets alluded to for ages.

Kinda why Israel/Palestine and Anti-Muslim threads go on for eternity....not because anybody is discussing much pertaining to the thread subject..but everybody spends their time denying assumptions made by others according to their own specific bias.

Have to say, there isn't a lot of discussion on this forum, but most certainly plenty character assassination.......but heck.....that's still a post, like this one...... to add to the stats, isn't it!

 

Yes, that, and a hundred other variations.

I chuckle any time someone uses false logic like that, because any intelligent person can see how depressingly flawed it is!

 

I think the quality and honesty of the debate could be better, if this were applied;

1) The over use of anti semite or Jew hater to be monitored, and for the person making the slur, room 101! After all, what do these tired and repeated slurs, that have been debunked a MILLION times, really ADD to a debate? They don't. They merely derail it.

2) Those that open a thread, do not bother to read the OP, then launch into an attack on the OP, or some rant about something unrelated - Room 101. If you are going to take part in an honest debate, you sort of really have to read the OP, right?

3) Those that post on a thread simply to say that they don't like the thread. Room 101. Like a newspaper, turn the page.

Just a thought..

 

Why there is so much arguing over something as silly as religion always escapes me.

Men had a meeting to decide whether or not Jesus was in fact divine. I am sure Islam has something similar in its history. The fact that people kill over a book that was written by Men and worship a person who's divinity was decided by Men is truely ridiculous.

 

Yes it is.

It is like visting a secure psychiatric ward.

Gathering together an assorted bunch of utterly deluded people, who believe in all manner of crazy things, that have as little evidence as the crazy things in religion. Then permitting them to shape nations and culture. And have access to dangerous weapons and armies. Then wondering why it keeps all going wrong.

 

no...I'm not even a christian I know that's not true...jesus never wrote any laws or did he call for a change in old testament...Matthew 5:17- “Think not that I come to destroy the law or the prophets; I come not to destroy, but to fulfill.”...

 

I'm not a Christian either and I knew that.

This is well known, the old "Old Testament doesn't matter anymore" is against the practices of Christianity..........

Even the Quran recognizes the divinity of the Torah and Gospel.

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The OT is an ugly book, and if the god in it was as described in it were real (which it most certainly isn't), then it would represent the most evil and immoral entity or being.

Ever.

 

Jesus was a Jew who called for a bit more humanity in the Jewish religion....he failed to make his point...in fact was crucified because he tried...because while the Romans brought him to trial at the behest of the Jews.....the Jews chose to crucify him rather than the other options offered. His reasonably sensible ideas were promulgated outside Israel and Jewish society by what we would now call pagans, because they thought his general ideas made sense if you wanted a world without perpetual war.

Unfortunately, when politicians (as in Constantine et al) got their hands on "Christianity" and formed the committee to decide what it was all about, as a means of controlling the populations of the Roman Empire, they included the Hebrew written Old Testament as a part of the whole "Christian" thing...which it wasn't at all....and distorted the whole ethos of the message given by Jesus.

After all, if there are people inclined to violence, they will choose what permits violence as opposed to anything which doesn't..which is why "Christian" Zionists are so keen on using the Old Testament to justify their irrationality.....just as the Jewish Zionists do.

Christian and Zionist are diametrically opposed concepts..if you are one....you cannot possibly be the other....because Christian implies following the teachings of Christ....while Zionist implies following the tenets laid out in the Old Testament, written by Hebrews/Jews for Hebrews/Jews, and which has nothing at all to do with the teachings of Jesus.

In fact...do Jews not think a lot less of Jesus' place in Scripture than Muslims do? In fact, does Israel not discard Jews who believe in Jesus as the Messiah of the Old Testament as non-Jews?

And in that case.......is it not completely and utterly illogical to be both a Christian who believes in the divinity and teachings of Jesus and a Zionist who believes that the Old Testament is the word of God....and which therefore denies that Jesus is anything other than an ordinary man.

Anyone care to clarify the dichotomy I perceive?

I am aware that in the USA, religion is nearly as big a money making venture as the medical or oil industries, for example...but what I can't get over is the numbers of ordinary punters so desperate to have other people tell them what to think that they will actually pay them silly money for the privilege.

Bad enough that there are mainstream organised religions at all......but the numbers of Independent Churches in the USA, each with their own originator and his/her interpretation of everything between Genesis and Revelation directing sheeple opinion is, frankly, a lot scarier than the prospect of Iran ever achieving a nuclear bomb........before we bomb the crap out of Iran, it might be more useful to world peace to remove the likes of the US tele-evangelists from the face of the earth.

 

As I said in my thread 'A Man Like Jesus', were a Jew, esp Jew from within Israel, to emerge today, that captivated more and more Jews into realising that through the proxy of Zionism, they had been manipulated again, if he began to appeal to even young Israelis, I am sure that Mossad or Shin Bet would likely torture and murder him, all over again...

 

Absolutely right.

The Koran actually makes mention of Jesus, on more than one occasion.

It is respectful to him, and accepts him as a 'prophet'.

The Jews did not, and still do not, which was part of the reason they had him crucified, and part of the reason they still have no mind for him today.

And yet, Jesus is CENTRAL to Christianity.

Christian Zionism is almost exclusively an American thing.

A con job, on Christians, by Jewish Zionists, that likely began some decades ago. Christian Zionism is a perversion of Christianity, and any Christian that considers Jesus absolutely central to their beliefs, should reject Christian Zionism, as being nothing more than the affront that it is.

You need only listen to the manner in which Christian Zionists talk, what they support, to see that nothing they say or do is consistant with the teachings of Jesus. They don't care about that, because they have made something else more central than Jesus - and that is Israel.

So, who else would be behind the emergence of 'Christian Zionism' in the US, if not Jewish Zionists? It didn't just happen by accident, did it?

I suppose you could also argue that, ironically enough, Christian Zionism is anti semitic!

Consider this.

Someone like Palin could be considered a typical example of a Christian Zionist, imo.

Now, at the heart of her 'beliefs' is the idea that in the *sigh* 'End Days', the 'rapture', all of that guff, that it is ONLY 'Christians' who will be scooped up to live with god in heaven. Not atheists, not Raelians, and not Jews. So, by that rationale, if said Jews cannot get to heaven, then in the eyes of a Christian Zionists, a Jew is lesser, and not worthy of their heaven, that they evidently do not wish to share with the Jew.

Unless maybe they expect, in the last days, all Jews to suddenly convert to Christianity, which all seems again, somewhat like saying 'denounce your own religion, or be left on this planet while it burns'.

Would that count as anti semitic?

 

If we look at the present trend of the Muslim immigrants, legal or illegal, streaming into the US, Australia, Germany, France, Britain and other Western countries, it won't be a big surprise to find a Muslim elected as US President one day. By then, if you were still around, you would not be able to criticize him in the way you attack Obama now. That guy would not tolerate your so-called "freedom of speech" and would at least hit back with "What the FxcK you talking about?"

 

From the Son of God to a 'prophet' -- that's a terrible downgrade.

 

It's not a downgrade because we never believed Jesus (PBUH) was the Son of God.

When Mary (PBUH) gave birth as a virgin that means Jesus (PBUH) has no father. God was responsible for Mary (PBUH) giving birth to Jesus (PBUH), but that does not mean he is the father. We are all descendants from Adam and Eve (PBUT), are we not? Including all the Prophets of Allah SWT.

Question: Why does it matter the religion of the President? Does this somehow make him or her incapable of being a good President? Because well, in America Christian Presidents don't have such a great track record lately... It seems they can't do anything right. And the constant influence from the Jewish-"Israeli" lobby AIPAC doesn't seem to be helping America either.

Maybe America would be better off with a Muslim President. Or Atheist President. Buddhist President. A change from the Judeo-Christian dominated government of the United States of America.

Haha that is sure to cause some entertaining responses

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The point is that they do absolutely recognise him as a prophet.

Jews do not.

The Koran holds absolute respect for Jesus.

Jews do not.

Do you at least understand that?