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Study: States With High Murder Rates More Likely To Be Republican

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by cristiansoldier, Mar 27, 2022.

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  1. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

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    According to DOJ blacks represent 13% of the population but commit 38% of the violent crimes in the U.S. I didn't find anything on Florida.
     
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    And 53% of the murders.
     
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  3. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I see. So, if its a blue State, then blame the Dems, and if its a red State, then blame the blacks.
     
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  4. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    A shift in culture. Even during the height of the crack epidemic and gang culture of the 80s and 90s those children most sheltered from that were those with both parents in the home, fathers especially. Not foolproof by any means but it gives the kids a much better fighting chance. It needs to stop being socially acceptable to have children out of wedlock and for men to father multiple children from different women. This "baby daddy" nonsense is ridiculous and WAY too common place among inner city communities. Between 69-72% of Black children are born out of wedlock. What has caused this steady rise in out of wedlock births over the years? Culture and government incentives, the taboo subjects that society isn't allowed to talk about. Government can't restrict aid to single parents due to the moral outrage it would cause plus it's not supposed to be for the irresponsible parent it's supposed to be for the child, so that's out of the question. What's required to solve that crisis is a massive shift in culture which yes is going to result in a whole lot of feelings getting hurt.

    The traditional nuclear family needs to be promoted to the fullest and the "new normal" single parent/multiple baby momma, baby daddy culture needs to be shamed out of existence.
     
    Nightmare515, Mar 31, 2022
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Which in itself is largely caused by the lack of proper family structure. The poverty rate for single parent households is nearly 5x the rate as married families. (23.4% vs 4.7%)
     
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  6. Hey Now

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    Yeah, it's a self fulfilling prophecy. Chicken/Egg, egg/chicken. 10.3% of American blacks (from a total of 12.6% of the pop), so 80% of American blacks (?), are descendants from slaves - many don't know who, or where they came from. Their family structure/history & culture were likely what they learned, or were allowed to learn, and what was encouraged by plantation life. So again, chicken/egg, family, poverty.
     
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  7. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Since we are going big with examples, why not go global:

    The majority of murder is committed by government.
    The majority of victims are unarmed.
     
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  8. Lil Mike

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    "...many don't know who, or where they came from. Their family structure/history & culture were likely what they learned..."

    Nah. Otherwise the out of wedlock rate would have been highest earlier in US history. Instead it's the opposite.


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    There has to be some other factor involved other than slavery.
     
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    It shouldn’t

    There is a strong correlate between gun ownership and murder rates

    https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/

    https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/essays/firearm-prevalence-violent-crime.html
    https://crimeandjusticeresearchalliance.org/rsrch/impact-of-gun-ownership-on-crime-rates/
     
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  10. Hey Now

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    So Mike, I disagree and your post is not a rebuttal of mine, just a variation from the society pages dot com, really?

    EDIT: Let's use the Ugher example by the Chinese; why are they separating children from their pasts and their parents? Was it different for American slaves?
     
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    :applause::applause::applause:

    Sad that that has to be explained
     
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    I find it amusing when the left is in denial of their party’s violent behavior
    Good stuff!
     
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  13. Lil Mike

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    I've no idea what the Uighurs have to do with this. Are you disagreeing that out of wedlock rates were lower almost a century ago than now?
     
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    The other factor: "Progressive" social engineering
     
    Ddyad, Mar 31, 2022
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    Are you suggesting that your graph discredits what I posted? It actually re-enforces it. You are trying to move the discussion away from my OP in this thread. Uighur children are being re-conditioned and are being separated from their parents, culture, heritage AKA indoctrination/control. Exactly the same was done to blacks in slavery. Your graphs reinforce this when one compares blacks to other groups not enslaved en mass in last hundreds of years.
     
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  16. Hey Now

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    You just have to look at the current demographic make up of the Trump Party to disprove what you posted. Compare it to the faces of the Democrats and it buries the nonsense you posted.
     
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  17. Lil Mike

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    I honestly don't know how you could make that conclusion from that graph. It shows Black out of wedlock rates at about 15% in 1930, a time in which slavery was within the living memories of many African Americans. The graph shows exactly the opposite of what you are claiming.
     
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  18. Hey Now

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    I disagree, the graph totally supports this statement below, which demographic group were slaves in America in the last 500(?) years?
     
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    The numbers are most definitive when you examine things per capita. While murders by blacks are as you noted, it's important to consider that the black share of population is only 13%- thus the murder rate per capita by race is 4X higher for blacks than for whites. This is nothing new, it's been excessive like that as far back as I've found records. I've used the the FBI UCR, or criminal crime reporting tables for a data source.
    I don't see that it's politically related, but most likely culture related- far too many black children (70%) growing up in one-parent homes; things like that. The lack of responsible role modeling is very detrimental.
     
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  20. Lil Mike

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    I'll admit, I don't understand how in the world you can reach that conclusion. Could you break it down and explain it?
     
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    Haha. Re -read my posts before and after you took the leap, it's self-evident to anyone that wants to be objective.
     
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  22. Lil Mike

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    Well I hope someone is more forthcoming with this secret info than you are.
     
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  23. Nightmare515

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    That would make sense if this were a trend that was on the decline throughout the decades as we continue to increase the time gap between the age of slavery. The opposite is true though. The percentage of black children born out of wedlock actually increases throughout the years. No black person living in America in the last 7 decades has any idea what slavery was like or what was encouraged by plantation life. At the end of the civil rights era 24% of black children were born out of wedlock, today it's 72%. What you've said would make a lot more sense if black children were born out of wedlock at a rate of 72% in the decades after slavery and slowly declined to a modern rate of 24% as time passed. The opposite is what actually happened though.

    You are correct about the chicken and the egg fallacy though and this being the result of culture and what they learned. If you have no father and nobody around you has a father either then you grow up believing that not having a father is perfectly normal. You aren't exactly wrong, having a father in the home in a black family IS abnormal nowadays which is a horrendous reality that we face as a society. Without a father figure in the home a child loses out on a big part of a healthy well rounded upbringing in many cases. That often leads to that child growing up and not understanding the responsibilities of being an actual father themselves thus believing it perfectly ok and normal to birth children out of wedlock thus continuing the cycle.

    Look at any statistic you want whether it be drugs, violence, poverty, gangs, etc they all point to a single common denominator. The overwhelming vast majority of them had no fathers actively present in the home. Reestablishing the traditional nuclear family in the black community is the key to fixing all of this. The single most destructive force to the black community was the abolishment of the traditional family and the enabling/encouragement of single parent households (usually mothers). That destruction came from three different directions. Government programs that enabled single mothers to raise children with government aid reducing the need of a father in the home, the government disproportionately incarcerating black men at higher rates for minor offenses, and a black inner city culture that encourages promiscuity by glorifying rappers and other famous black males who run around bragging about how many "bitches and hoes" they have.
     
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    In bold, that framing a point that does not define what you claim it defines. I disagree, the remnants of slaves still reign their ugly heads in the black generations since. in addition, slavery was abolished but the Jim crow practice is still alive and well. So what your discussion is predicated on does not mean that the black generations are now free of the past. Poverty and culture are both affected by the remnants of slavery. I can go back multiple generations and know, with reasonable accuracy, my ancestry as well as pass on those material and intrinsic values; 80% of American blacks don't have that ability or connection.

    The Uighurs and the way China is dealing with that issue shows clearly how to enslave someone's mind. It's a time proven method that clearly works for generations to come.
     
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    Sincerely, how are you rationalizing this to be the case? What modern examples are you claiming still exist?
     
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