Supreme Court alerted to 'new evidence' on Census citizenship question

Yes, that’s precisely what the GOP has been doing.

 

Then the question pertaining to citizenship is both legal and legitimate, as well as relevant. It can serve to count the number of citizens in a given area, and the number of illegal aliens in a given area. If that scares them to the point they do not wish to take part in the census, then perhaps they should not be in the united states to begin with.

 

You.... you understand that its not one dude walking around with a single clicker taking a head count... right?
You grasp that they could report multiple numbers and counts from the same form that has numerous questions on it..... right?

They can keep a count on "residents" and "citizens". See how that works champ?

 

So he knows how many buses to schedule.

 

First, you are assuming that not responding to the census will give officials any sort of accurate understanding of the number of illegals in a given area.

Second, you are taking an extremely limited view of the harm created by this question. When you reduce the number of resources provided to a region that still has to provide for its residents, regardless of their legal status, because the census has returned an artificially low count, then you are hurting ALL of the residents in that region.

 

Absolutely, always glad to engage in respective discussion.

As the census bureau people have already estimated, this question would result in millions of fewer individuals answering the census and that, in turn, permits a misallocation of resources and a permits further gerrymandering of districts that benefits political parties like the Republicans in Wisconsin who earned ~45% of the total vote and yet held onto ~60% of the congressional seats.

 

Is that because of the two parties, the GOP is the party of and for the people of the united states while the democrats are the party for 'world citizens'?

 

Except for the fact that such is not being assumed. The reality of the situation is merely being recognized and addressed.

Then that is the fault of the illegal aliens who do not have a legitimate reason for being in the united states to begin with.

What is not understood by many, is that the united states is no different from any other nation. It is a land of finite resources and finite opportunities for advancement and employment. There will always be deficits and shortfalls, which will require trying to balance who can be helped against what is available. Hard choices will have to be made in the real world. If a community cannot care for its own citizens, and those that reside within the community illegally, then it must instead choose. It is literally no different than requiring an individual to maintain a budget and live within their means, rather than living extravagantly just because they feel like it.

 

Ahhh not so fast

"Before the courts became lawless on immigration, they ruled that any illegal entrant, “although physically within our boundaries, is to be regarded as if he had been stopped at the limit of our jurisdiction, and kept there while his right to enter was under debate” (U.S. v. Ju Toy, 1905). Illegals were deemed to be physically outside our borders because it was intuitive to everyone in the legal system that a foreign national cannot unilaterally assert his right to enter, thereby forcing upon us electoral changes affecting reapportionment.

Moreover, the entire purpose of the Fourteenth Amendment — counting “whole persons” as opposed to the original “three-fifths” formula — was to prevent southern states from disenfranchising newly minted black citizenswhile benefitting from their inclusion in the Census. The Framers certainly never envisioned this being used as a tool to disenfranchise the entire citizenry — black and white — at the hands of illegal invaders.

Furthermore, section 2 of the Fourteenth Amendment was never intended to include those in the country who resided in another state, even American citizens, who happened to be temporarily passing through a state during the time of the Census. It wasn’t intended to include legal temporary residents either. Conversely, it wasn’t intended to exclude those permanent residents or citizens temporarily sojourning or vacationing in another country or state. As John Noonan, former Ninth Circuit judge, said in testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee in 1985, “If there was an invading army on American soil, one does not suppose the Bureau of Census would count the enemy troops.”

Much like the Citizenship Clause, erroneously used to grant birthright citizenship to illegal aliens, the Apportionment Clause was not designed as a literal phrase without qualification. It was meant to include domiciled permanent residents who had complete allegiance to the United States and lived here indefinitely with the intention and legal ability to seek citizenship.

Judge Timothy Farrar, a New Hampshire judge and law partner of Sen. Daniel Webster in the mid-nineteenth century, in perhaps the earliest treatise written on the definition of the Fourteenth Amendment, wrote that “certainly persons who are at the time actual citizens of other states in the union cannot be included [in the census]; and, for much stronger reasons, persons who are citizens of foreign states cannot.”

No rational person can honestly assert that millions of illegal aliens, almost all of whom are citizens of foreign countries with allegiance to foreign powers, in this country in violation of our laws and the consent of the people are included in the Fourteenth Amendment."

https://www.conservativereview.com/news/time-stop-counting-illegal-aliens-census/

 

How does asking if one is a citizen a disadvantage to minorities????

Inquiring minds want to know.

 

Cut bait and motor downstream

 

And tell us why 12 to 30 million illegal aliens deserve to have congressional representation?

 

How does this answer my question?

 

Screw the ACLU and the clown car they came in. Citizenship information has been consistently asked on census forms from 1890 to 1950.For unexplained reasons t was removed in 1960 except for residents of NY and PR. It was asked again in 1970 through 2000 on the long form. Citizenship information is also asked by the Census Bureau through the ACS program.

No one should care about a citizenship question except for Illegals and corrupt politicians who are counting illegals as voters. Your bleeding heard liberal BS doesn't hold water.

 

Let us know how an email from 2015 during the Obama administration to the head of the Census bureau is relevant?