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Supreme Court ruling pulls rug out from under article of impeachment

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by camp_steveo, Dec 18, 2019.

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  1. Promise Hero

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    What does that have to do with Trumps Bribery and the fact hat he is the most investigated President in modern history some of which are still ongoing not only in D.C. but in the State of New York. Oh yeah he's also been disgracefully impeached.
     
    Promise Hero, Dec 19, 2019
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    Are you on this planet?
     
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    So this logic says we do NOT have three CO_EQUAL branches of government,this relegates congress to the bottom of the heap and SINCE THE PRESIDENT appoints members to the Supreme Court it in fact makes him the KING????I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT WAS THE FOUNDING FATHERS INTENT!!!!
     
    61falcon, Dec 19, 2019
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    No. This PROVES that all three branches are co-equal.
     
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    Answer the question, please:
    Is someone running against an incumbent White House immune from federal investigation for actions he took while an elected federal official?
     
    TOG 6, Dec 19, 2019
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    If you have something to say than spit it out other wise I may think you lack the courage to be direct.
     
    Promise Hero, Dec 19, 2019
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    Yup - and on this part of the Planet - we follow the rule of law principle - innocent until proven guilty.

    What part of that principle are you having problems understanding ?
     
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    :lol:
    - A person running against an incumbent White House is not immune from federal investigation for actions he took while an elected federal official - thus, initiating, ordering, assisting, or otherwise furthering such an investigation is not inherently an abuse of power.
    - Applying conditions to the disbursement of federal monies or assets to foreign state is not inherently an abuse of power.
    - Participation in the former as the condition mentioned in the later is not inherently an abuse of power.

    So.. where's the abuse of power?
     
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    No problems but when you get back down to earth you'll find that a presidential impeachment is not a jury trial.
     
    Promise Hero, Dec 19, 2019
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    Nope. It's a political process.
     
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    What does that have to do with a President Bribing an elected official in another country to investigate a current U.S Presidential rival before said official can get desperately needed defense misiles. Why no request to investigate this candidate in 2017,2018 but only in 2019 when this U.S. candidate was a viable front runner and a political threat to the president. . You're so far out on a limb it's embarrassing because you really think you have something. How delusional. . .
     
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    What a Jury trial for a president?
     
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    I just described the "bribe" you claim, so the relevance should be obvious.
    I ask again:
    Where's the abuse of power?
     
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    A presidential impeachment is not a jury trial, its a political process.
     
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    Nice strawman - coupled with - for the second time - a pathetic attempt to demonize the messenger. Where do I mention a Jury Trial ? - the rule of law principle applies to more than just that - so quit making up stories and attributing them to me.

    What part of my claim "no man should be wrongfully convicted" are you having trouble with ?
     
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    You of course know where it is. Soliciting a foreign government to help him defeat a domestic political rival, by withholding congressionally approved funds to that country is an abuse of power.
     
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    The law sure is becoming a serious inconvenience for Democrat pols.
     
    Ddyad, Dec 19, 2019
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    The law has NEVER been an inconvenience for Democrats.
     
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    The part where the House which has fulfilled it's constitutional right to conduct an impeachment doesn't really do the conviction. That's up to the Senate. You're wrong in oh so many ways its breathtaking.
     
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    Good point. Certainly no more than a minor inconvenience.
    Otherwise, Comey, McCabe, Brenner, Clapper ... would be resting comfortably in a federal prison by now.
     
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    Not the law..Trump. He is defying the constitutional right of the House to conduct an impeachment.
    and claims he has nothing to hide. If you cant call witnesses and ask for documents then you can't have an impeachment.
     
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    Nonsense. The House just impeached Trump, now they are nullifying their own vote.
    It will no be remembered as The Virtual Impeachment - if at all.
     
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    "Political rival":
    - A person running against an incumbent White House is not immune from federal investigation for actions he took while an elected federal official - thus, initiating, ordering, assisting, or otherwise furthering such an investigation is not inherently an abuse of power.

    "Withholding funds":
    - Applying conditions to the disbursement of federal monies or assets to foreign state is not inherently an abuse of power.

    Conjoined:
    - Participation in the former as the condition mentioned in the later is not inherently an abuse of power.

    So.. where's the abuse of power?
     
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    Nope Trump was literally impeached nothing virtual about it.
    Doesn't change the fact the president who claims he has nothing to hide defied the constitution by deliberately holding back docs and witnesses. Once again if there are no docs and no witnesses there is no impeachment at all. Trump deliberately flouted the constitution for the sole purpose of saving his own skin and weakening the process as much as he could. It's Trump's violation of the constitution not the law. that has created this inconvenient mess.
     
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    Asked and answered. Soliciting a foreign government to help defeat a domestic political rival, by withholding congressionally approved funds until they do is an abuse of power. As you know.
     
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