TEXAS will lead the nation.

I am on the fence in relation to the kneeling thing. Conduct rules in general are violation of freedom of speech. Obviously there are extremes - someone gave an example of a Ford Salesman wearing a "Chevy is the Best" T-shirt to work. This is an obvious conflict of interest.

When we get into something a low level employee does on their personal time - something related to politics or personal actions that have nothing to do with the company... this is a bridge too far.

 

Wow oh wow. Someone had delusions of Red states going Blue. Ever hear of Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, or Pennsylvania? This is fact not some conjuncture by some dip wad. There was a Red wave in 2016 and Trump's popularity and influence is growing. His increases are highest among minorities.

 

You know who else makes up a large portion of that growth?

People from CA, WA, OR, NY, IL.

Then, when they get to Texas, they vote for the same stupid ass policies they moved away from to begin with.

Why can't they just fix their own states? Democrats are like a cancerous organism. Like the aliens from Independence Day, sucking up all the resources to move to the next Conservative locale.

 

i hardly consider a qb in front of an audience of 40,000,000 to be a "low level employee." and work is for work. i agree that there is a line somewhere, but generally if you represent your employer in a bad light and cost them money, you are a liability.

 

You have it backwards. All across the US there has been a brain drain as people move from conservative areas to liberal ones. Places like Washington, Oregon, and Colorado are much nicer places to live than any red state.

 

Yes it is since it is proof of the contention that not every Latino is in favor of illegal immigration. 2nd Mexico and Ireland are very different countries.

 

Right .. and it is definitely "on the job" - it is not like he is doing it on his own time. Hence why I am "on the fence in relation to this one".

On the other side of the argument is the question of what an employer allowed to make the employee do outside of his/her job description. For example, if some company wanted employees to attend a gathering supporting legislation that was good for the company or sign a petition, would this be acceptable - during work hours ?

I draw a very strict line in relation to what an employee does after hours. This is an infringement on privacy unless of course the employee is showing up as a guest on MSNBC or some such thing. This gets into the debate about situations where there is an expectation of privacy.

 

Check the state migration from IL, NY, CA.

 

Everyone has the right to embarrass their employer - knowing they run the risk of termination. If a team owner tells them to stand and they don't, the owner can fire them. But - will they? What if the majority of the team took a knee? Who is in control then?

 

TV won’t show the anthem anymore - it pissed off too many viewers. The problem is mostly solved.

 

And it is the network's right to do so.

 

yes it is.

refugees don't enter the country illegally, illegal aliens do. Refugees go to a Port of Entry and claim Asylum.

we don't force refugees back if they are truly refugees. I agree separating families is it immoral act but the government is not doing that illegal aliens are they chose to break the law they chose not to go to Port of Entry and claim Asylum they chose to violate statues they are solely responsible for whatever befalls them for that crime.

If it means criminals get locked up in jail and separated from their children so be it.

Allowing them to do what's best for their children and give them up for adoption while they serve time in jail is a merciful Act. If they really cared about their kids they would do that in a heartbeat, since they have proven themselves to be inept parents.

It is hateful and immoral to lock them up with their parents for their parents crime.

our courts purpose is to administer the law.

 

Wrong! Some of them are, some aren't. The courts, generalizations that could only be based on racism and ignorance, is what decides which is which. Regardless, none of this justifies separating children from their parents in any case.

You are obviously too gullible believing everything wingnut media tells you. There were children in cages during the Obama administration. But it was temporary (a few hours), and the children were quickly reunited with their parents. This was an emergency measure taken at some point in 2014. However, cages are not a place for children, even it it's only for a few hours. It was quickly corrected. Reprehensible, but not a matter of policy. Certainly not dictated by the President

Trump, on the other hand, separated children and put them in cages as a matter of policy.

 

The college graduates and middle-class migrants that make up a major portion of the new migration to Texas are from those and other states as well.

Migrants from the most prosperous states, especially the better-educated, are, undoubtedly, disposed to support more progressive governance, of course, but fiscal matters are only one factor in their voting as they do.

Might a less-educated, White, male émigré from Texas to Connecticut similarly be apt to retain his accustomed voting pattern? Very likely. Americans enjoy the freedom to relocate without submitting to ideological screening and/or indoctrination by the State.

Your hyper-partisan hysteria ignores the perennial reality that humans migrate for the opportunity to establish a better life for themselves and their families, not to surrender to a stagnant status quo. While there must be aspects that attract them to a new locale, they inevitably bring priorities, values, and cultural attributes that contribute to the community of which they are then a part.

 

racism? wtf? it doesn't matter what race you are if you are marching in a big parade to make a political spectacle of abusing the most generous political asylum system in the world. it was widely known that's exactly what these "refugees" were doing (probably funded by soros or steyr). now when you have a bunch of adult criminals suddenly show up at your door, what are you going to do... put the children they've dragged through the desert with them in the adult detention facility? no, you put them in summer camp and you give them three meals, air conditioning, ping pong, and flatscreen tvs. all at the expense of the us taxpayer. and why do you do this? go through the trouble and expense of building a facility to house children who have been dragged through the desert (by people who may or may not be their parents)? because the kids are there most likely against their will. this is what a civilized society does. ffs, mexico would probably toss the kids in adult jail, let them get beaten, raped by the guards, sodomized by pedophiles. these kids should all send trump thank you cards for putting them up in the nicest accommodations they've ever seem in their lives.

am i the only one who noticed that you just instantaneously contradicted yourself and at the same time proved me right? wow, i can't buy that kind of irony!

OBAMA ALLOWED CHILDREN TO BE PUT IN CAGES IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. and then in the most egregious, cynical, and insidious deployment of fake news, the msm in this country used those photos of those kids in those obama cages and told the people of the world "trump puts children in cages."

right. that's why immigration authorities under trump send them to summer camp. it was your hero obama who allowed caged kids on his watch... kids who were, i hasten to add SEPARATED FROM THE ADULTS WHO BROUGHT THEM. BY OBAMA.

we've already been over this. trump puts the kids in air conditioned summer camp with video games, movies, and ping pong. stop lying.

 

There is no possible moral principle that would consider immoral that parent does something to protect their children. Even if it's illegal. If you don't understand the difference between illegal and immoral, I can't help you.

Wrong! Refugees go to a Port of Entry and claim Refugee status. The only way to obtain Asylum status is if you are physically present in the United States and prove that would qualify for refugee status.

In any case, separation occurred to both refugee seekers and asylum seekers. And separating children from parents is immoral even if they don't qualify for either. The punishment for entering the U.S. illegally carries a maximum 6 month sentence. Not the separation from your children. And punishing children for something their parents did is immoral . So your statement is not only immoral from every point of view you look at it...It's also irrelevant.

So you are in favor of punishing children. Despicable!

It is. And it's even more hateful and immoral to lock them up without their parents. Especially because the parents have not been found guilty of any crime.

 

Midterms elections are Always about the Party in the White House

Especially this time with Trump changing the Norms and what America now stands for

Add to that Republicans facing Elections have sat on their hands as Trump

has turned away from Long Standing Allies and disrespected Americans

 

Trump's name isn't on the ballot, but he is certainly the determining factor in many, if not most votes. Republicans are running on how much they support Trump. Specific issues that aren't tied to Trump are rarely mentioned.

 

Great! That's what our system is all about. You know what they do in nations where that is not allowed? They get a gun and start a "revolution"

If anybody convinced you that the right to protest publicly is some sort of "privilege" that we give people out of the "generous" (your word) goodness of our hearts, you have been fooled. It is to our convenience that people have the right to do that.

This is one of the oversimplistic talking points that wingnut media feeds the right. "Generosity" may have a tiny little bit to do with it. But the reasons we take refugees is much more selfish than you think Stability in Latin America is to our advantage. Our companies sell there. We require product from Latin America that would be much more expensive to bring from other latitudes. And, of course, the unspoken fact that many states depend on cheap labor from undocumented workers.

Refugees are not criminals.

You remove their children from their custody and put the kids in cages, right?

It's obvious you never had much attachment to your parents. But most normal human beings don't do well by being forcefully separated from their parents as children with no hopes of reuniting them. And not even taking them to DisneyWorld will spare them from a life-long trauma or from the living hell over 500 of them are living now after months of separation.

And keep in mind one thing: this was done on purpose. It's not accidental. It's not even an "emergency" decision taken because of an unforeseen event. This is working out as devised by this psychopathic administration.

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And, as on every single statement you have made in this debate, you would be wrong. Mexico offered them asylum
https://www.voanews.com/a/mexico-government-to-grant-migrants-refugee-status/4329992.html

Those who felt safe enough in Mexico to apply for asylum there were accepted. And those who were rejected were treated humanely. Mexico gave us a lesson on how to treat people who are desperate. However, Mexico is not safe for the large majority of them. And that's why they come here.
https://www.msf.org/mexico-unsafe-country-thousands-refugees-fleeing-violence-central-america

Yep! You are the only one who believes that. And, as usual, you would be the only one who is wrong.

Do you ever tire of being wrong again and again? The MSM did not use those photos as you say. They circulated mis-captioned on Social Media.

But you have no interest in facts, do you?

You know why you are so wrong on everything you say? Because you repeat Trump's words. No! They were not sent to "summer camp". These are not summer camps
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/ceci-nest-pas-une-cage/563072/
https://www.apnews.com/9794de32d39d4c6f89fbefaea3780769

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I do not deny reality like Trump fanatics do. Children were put in detention camps during the Obama administration. Some with cages. And that was wrong. But it was only for short periods of time while their families here were contacted and the children were released to their custody. Not months! And not by design. And the Obama administration took the steps necessary to stop this practice. In the Trump administration this is done by design. First undoing all the measures that Obama had put in place to avoid or shorten the period of detention to a minimum. So Trump's objective was to purposefully harm children.

Trump is a psychopath. And I don't know what to think of those who try to excuse his actions. But they can't be too far behind.

No! No! No! They were not separated from their parents. These were children that traveled alone. They were prepared to stay in a detention center. Children who traveled with their parents during the Obama administration were only separated in rare occasions. Mostly if there was suspicion that the child might be in peril.

How somebody can make such a fool of themselves by being so absolutely uninformed as you have is beyond me.

Trump cult fanaticism is strong. These are warehouses in states like Florida and Texas. And this was in June.. If they didn't have air conditioning they would suffocate to death. And there were toys in detention centers during Obama's Admiinistration too. That is absolutely meaningless and does not excuse the inhuman policy this administration put in place to harm children on purpose.

 

Sneaking into a country is noir protecting children.

Yeah because when you are put in jail that's the best thing for children.

I understand the difference, I just think it's immoral to endanger your child sneaking them into a country when you can walk up to a port of entry and claim asylum its almost like they know their claimwill be denied on the account that it's false.

So they could do that. But if you sneak in...i have no sympathy.

And nobody cared when it happened during Clinton's presidency, or Bush's presidency or Obama's presidency. It all the sudden was a problem during Trump's because the Russia hoax was a bust.

Selective outrage is disingenuous.

 

i feel we are having two different conversations here. the topic under discussion has nothing to do with "protest." i don't even know how a reasonable person could conclude that was anywhere in this topic. we are discussing, specifically, individuals abusing our refugee system to gain admission into the united states. ours is the most generous in the world. this has nothing to do with any protest, real or imagined.

based on this paragraph it would seem you misunderstand the definition of a refugee.

knowingly submitting a fraudulent application for refugee or asylum status is a felony.

that's what obama did. this photo is from 2014. of course they tried to pin this on trump, with no shortage of knuckle draggers frothing at the mouth demanding the man's head.



this is how trump houses the children of criminal phony refugees...



then we have this gem... and utter expression of disingenuous cynicism.

children are separated from their criminal parents routinely. that's what happens when grownups act idiots.

it has been determined that many of these children are pawns, rather than the biological offspring of the adults with whom they are crossing the border. and secondarily, there is nothing wrong with providing a strong disincentive for illegally entering or abusing the largesse of the most generous country in the world.

"casa padre" in texas...

trump's objective is to disincentivize illegal aliens from illegally entering the united states. the added benefit to the children is further protection from trafficking.

your opinion of trump supporters is irrelevant and comprises no more than a back-handed ad hominem fallacy that in no way supports your argument in any rational or factual manner.

another ad hominem! how surprising.

yeah, hiking through the sonoran desert in june while dodging drug cartels, rapists, coyotes, and corrupt federales is way better than playing ping pong in air conditioned comfort while finishing your grilled cheese sandwich. ffs dude.

 

I don't know. But that didn't keep you from bringing it up.

Huh? Oh... so you didn't know the great contribution that refugees make to our economy? Funny!

What nonsense! Why would anybody submit a fraudulent application for refugee or asylum? I don't even know what a "fraudulent applications" is? People submit an application if they are seeking the status. It may be accepted or denied. But the application is real.

You're now just talking nonsense.

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No he did not! How many times do I have to tell you the children in question in 2014 were unaccompanied minors?

And you will have to excuse me, but I will eliminate your "detention camp" porn as I have no interest.

No it's not! It's to disincentivize refugees from seeking asylum. And that is immoral and illegal.

Are you serious? You actually think that a grilled cheese sandwich removes the life-long trauma of children forcefully separated from their parents and put in cages?

What other way is there to explain the lack of empathy than to not ever having belonged to a normal loving family?

 

I know it's endangerment. Engaging in the criminal Act of sneaking into the country, is most certainly dangerous.

just because you assert something does not to make it a fact.

not by the likes of you.

no they really come here to mooch and we have enough of that.

and in what I've come to expect from you, you start attacking me.

You could simply just to be old and senile.

Endanger really is the act of putting someone at risk or in danger.

That's what it really is and no matter how bad you want to make this personal my experience has no effect on that meaning whatsoever.

Translation: Golem can't argue any of the points polydectes makes so he's just going to attack poly's character.

yes I do it is to be illegal aliens within our country and mooch off of our social programs. And because we don't enforce our laws against illegal aliens.

So you are making false statements when you say I don't know. I know. I'm just not going to be in denial of it because my party needs a voting base, and I'm not going to buy the propaganda you are trying to get me to believe.

I already know they come here to mooch off of our social programs.

So what's the next thing I need to learn?

 

I do not want to seperate children from the adults

Send them all back to mexico TOGETHER the same day we pick them up

 

Illegals do not deserve to die just for being here

But they do deserve a one-way ride back to their own country