The Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio

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  1. Scott

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    The evidence that the Apollo moon missions were faked in a studio is crushing. The US government can't censor the evidence that's on the internet but it can bury it with disinformation and obfuscation. If you enter "Apollo hoax" in Google, you'll find about fifteen pro-Apollo sites for every hoax site. I made a collection of some of the hoax evidence the government is trying to bury. As you've probably guessed, I've debated about Apollo before so, in this first post, I addressed all of the explanations that the pro-Apollo people usually come up with in the first ten pages or so of a thread such as the rocks, or the idea that the Russians would have snitched, etc.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymwE1sNm82Y
    (If this link doesn't work, do a YouTube search on "Apollo 15 flag waving")

    At the 2 minute 35 second mark of the video the flag is still. When the astronaut goes past it, it starts to move.

    There's an analysis of that here in this three part series.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?playne...layList&v=Zr76qSQ9ZQQ&list=PL41BF9062EF97A674

    Here's a link to the original NASA footage.
    http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/a15v.1485317.rm

    More on the flag-
    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=moonfaker+flagging+the+dead+horses&aq=f
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7yc2rVOs00

    The above video refutes this attempt by the government to mislead the public.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhab86KoVjU

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    There's a noticeable difference in the body movements in these two clips.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdMvQTNLaUE
    http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11v.1101330.rm

    What I hypothesize is that a fifty percent slow-motion was used in Apollo 11 to simulate lunar gravity. Later, they improved their methods of simulating lunar gravity and started using a combination of slow-motion and support wires. The slow-motion in the later missions might not have been exactly half-speed. It might have been sixty five or seventy percent of natural speed. It looked better but it was inconsistent with Apollo 11 footage. The inconsistency is apparent.

    At around the 21 minute mark of this video the above footage from Apollo 11 can be seen played at double speed.
    http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=4135126565081757736

    It can also be seen in this video at around the 30 minute 40 second mark.
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8455110982587487066#

    (The above video "A funny thing happened on the way to the moon" keeps going on and off-line. If the above link is dead, click here)
    http://www.google.es/search?q=a funny thing happened on the way to the moon&hl=es&tbm=vid#

    It looks just like movement in earth gravity.
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    When the footage from this clip is doubled, the movements look unnaturally fast.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdMvQTNLaUE

    Here it is doubled.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G29WT2_y1-E

    When the Apollo 11 footage is doubled, the movements look natural. This makes it very clear that they used a simple fifty percent slow-motion to simulate lunar gravity in Apollo 11 and a faster slow-motion (around 67 percent according to Jarrah White's calculations) combined with wire supports in the later missions.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW31fOWzY-E
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    Watch how the corner of Collins' jacket moves in this clip.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fqdB1b53jc
    (00:52 time mark)

    The corner of Collins' jacket swings back and forth the way it would in gravity.

    If the above link is dead, the footage can be seen here.
    http://www.veoh.com/watch/v17299829n75qtFtS?h1=Apollo+XI:+The+Little+Gem
    (17:40 time mark)

    It's necessary to download the "Veoh video player" to be able to see it. It's free.
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    Look at the corners of the jacket the woman astronaut is wearing in this clip.
    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TejsnPThmd4

    That is real zero-gravity and they behave quite differently.

    The movement of Collins' jacket corner is very different from that of the straps in this clip which is in zero-G.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofwzby1c7o
    (3:17 time mark)

    It looks the same as the movement of this guy's jacket corners in gravity.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTNGNW5Evs4

    One possible explanation is that they were trying to fake zero-gravity in a diving plane and the plane wasn't diving fast enough at that point.
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    There is no blast crater under the lander.
    http://thoughtworld.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/picture1.jpg

    That is discussed in this four part video series.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEQNZQdJFtI

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    Look at the size of the reflection of the sun in the astronaut's visor at the beginning of this video.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdMvQTNLaUE

    Now look at the reflection of the sun in the visor in the picture at the top of this page.
    http://www.sciencephotogallery.com/low.php?xp=media&xm=1694861

    It's pretty clear that the reflection in the Apollo astronaut's visor is that of a big light. Here's an article about that.
    http://www.aulis.com/sunsize.htm
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    At bottom of this page there's a picture of the astronaut's visor that has in it the reflection of what looks like some kind of studio light.
    http://www.aulis.com/jackstudies_9.html

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    Here's some evidence that they used wire supports to fake lunar gravity.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gjesg6ShxMU
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    The moon rocks are often presented as proof the missions were real. There are plausible explanations that would explain them.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSIlgQhUi9A
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AQQHTjeMkA
    http://www.geschichteinchronologie.ch/atmosphaerenfahrt/28_moon-stones-from-Earth-ENGL.html
    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=MoonFaker:+Moon+Rocks+Revisited&aq=f


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    People say the Soviets would have snitched. There are explanations for that too:
    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=moonfaker+cold+war&aq=f

    http://www.nardwuar.com/vs/bill_kaysing/index.html
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    Well, why did they keep faking the Apollo flights, I still don't understand. Did the Soviet Union know it was faked? Why did they keep shut up if they knew it was faked? 'Cause a lot of people would think they kept the moon race going to prove the U.S. was better than the Soviet Union. If the Soviet Union knew, why did they let the U.S. get away with this?
    Well, I'll tell you - at the highest levels there is a coalition between governments. In other words, the Soviets said, if you won't tell on us - and they faked most of their space exploration flights - we won't tell on you. It's as simple as that. See, what Apollo is, is the beginning of the end of the ability of the government to hoodwink and bamboozle and manipulate the people. More and more people are becoming aware in the U.S. that the government is totally and completely public enemy number one.
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    http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm
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    The Soviets, with their own competing moon program and an intense economic and political and military rivalry with the USA, could be expected to have cried foul if the USA tried to fake a Moon landing. Theorist Ralph Rene responds that shortly after the alleged Moon landings, the USA silently started shipping hundreds of thousands of tons of grain as humanitarian aid to the allegedly starving USSR. He views this as evidence of a cover-up, the grain being the price of silence. (The Soviet Union in fact had its own Moon program).
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    Everyone should read Chomsky's analysis of the cold war.
    http://www3.niu.edu/~td0raf1/history468/apr2304.htm
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    On the domestic front, the Cold War helped the Soviet Union entrench its military-bureaucratic ruling class in power, and it gave the US a way to compel its population to subsidise high-tech industry. It isn't easy to sell all that to the domestic populations. The technique used was the old stand-by-fear of a great enemy.
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    continued...
     
  2. Scott

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    ...continued

    It someone were to make a deathbed statement saying the moon missions were faked, the press would never report it as the press is controlled.
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media/media_watch.html
    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=chomsky+media&aq=f
    http://www.youtube.com//watch?v=bbnxsPgcsH0

    Also, it would be downright dangerous for someone to come forward. Look what happened to these guys.
    http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfYBJFPuiwE
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipKyUVuQ2Uk

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvay28lZiHU

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    Here are some videos.
    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=moonfaker&aq=f&gl=ES&hl=es
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6MvcIs4OcQ
    http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=EQj-Mh__fRc
    http://www.thule.org/brains/moon.rm
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2rfsy3Sd0c
    (8 parts)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmIWhzTzLn0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjzKbJqanKI&feature=list_other&playnext=1&list=SPFA15E9FD150981FC

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRE7grId3sI
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKj5fckUX-c
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc2kijG8YdY
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx3YcQhdDps
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij9BHiaC4t0

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    What Happened on the Moon" (documentary)
    http://www.google.es/search?q=what happened on the moon&hl=es&source=hp&tbm=vid#

    http://www.youtube.com/results?sear....8.0.0.0.0.156.1000.1j7.8.0...0.0.dLZem8w-o0Q
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    Here are some articles.
    http://www.nardwuar.com/vs/bill_kaysing/
    http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm
    http://www.aulis.com/skeleton.html
    http://erichufschmid.net/Interview-w...rt-Sibrel.html
    http://www.geocities.com/apollotruth/
    http://www.aulis.com/investigation.htm
    http://northerntruthseeker.blogspot.com.es/2008/11/project-apollo-what-were-they-thinking_24.html
    http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html
    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Moon_Hoax
    http://theconspiracyzone.podcastpeople.com/posts/28159
    http://www.erichufschmid.net/Apollo_NASA.html
    http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/index.html
    (Wagging the Moondoggie)

    http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Moon_Hoax

    The astronauts look pretty nervous at the press conference.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RcKLAo62Ro

    Here's a link to the entire conference.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSk3xqMFKMw&feature=gv

    This keeps going on and offline so if this link is dead, try googling "Apollo 11 press conference".

    Their behavior look pretty suspicious here too.
    http://vimeo.com/24508433

    The main reason they had to fake it was probably space radiation. Here are some articles and videos I've found on the subject.

    http://www.geocities.com/apollotruth/
    (excerpt)
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    There is an old saying that "A liar needs a good memory". Nowhere is this more true than in the Apollo program. NASA tell lies to cover up previous lies, and other discrepancies uncovered by people investigating the Moon landings. Altering previous data, removing photographs, and retracting statements made, only re-enforces the evidence that NASA are on the run, and being forced into a corner to which they cannot escape. The actions of those under investigation makes the investigator more aware they are bluffing. The longer that person, or persons, who make the extravagant claims continue, the more lies they have to tell in order to counteract it, until it reaches the point where it becomes ridiculous. That point was passed in July 1999, when NASA officials were questioned about the Moon landings on television. They dodged the all important questions like a drifter dodges the heat.
    Many Apollo astronauts have long since died, as to have many of the original NASA officials involved in the scam, consequently current officials, who know that Apollo was a fake, have not quite got it right when talking openly in public. Perhaps the biggest slip of the tongue was made by NASA Chief Dan Goldin when interviewed by UK TV journalist Sheena McDonald in 1994. He said that mankind cannot venture beyond Earth orbit, 250 miles into space, until they can find a way to overcome the dangers of cosmic radiation. He must have forgot that they supposedly sent 27 astronauts 250,000 miles outside Earth orbit 36 years earlier.
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    two sets of radiation data
    http://hey_223.tripod.com/bulldoglebeautaketooooo/id82.html
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    To prove his thesis, Rene tries to get certain solar data from NATIONAL
    OCEANIC & ATMOSPHERIC ADMINISTRATION, (NOAA) using clever techniques
    to
    disguise his true intentions, [i.e. to get true data on solar flares.] NOAA,
    unfortunately, proved to be as cagey as Rene in dodging the giving out of any
    really good DETAILS on this matter, [you know, where the devil resides.]
    Rene, seeing games being played, deduced that there must be two sets of data,
    one which is sent to scientists on the preferred list, and one sent to the
    likes of Rene as casual strangers. (p.125)
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    http://ocii.com/~dpwozney/apollo5.htm
    http://www.erichufschmid.net/MoreInfoForScienceChallenge.html
    http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=9659&hl=apollo

    These two are important
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    http://www.buzzcreek.com/grade-a/MOON/articles1.htm
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2rotplZn0g
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKB5u_VTt6M
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcytzf7PkRA
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6DhY1NvmIc
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1ltWMbHdDU
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnckudD9oa8
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiTzo3G_hvo
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFiIR7hA1rM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toI1Xw9paW4
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xlKooAbKpM
    (23 parts)

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    The Chinese space walks were obviously faked in a water tank and NASA's official position is that the Chinese space walks were real.
    http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=NVbBFwdmldA
    http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=kG4Z_r38ZDE
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBL98p0wZ7g
    http://en.epochtimes.com/n2/content/view/8332/
    http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/5809/

    The pro-Apollo posters at the forums of both the "Clavius" and "Bad Astronomy" websites tap danced around the evidence that the Chinese space walk was faked because they have to agree with the official US government version and they can't say it was faked without looking silly. Here are the threads. They're hilarious.

    http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php/87594-Chinese-space-walk-conspiracy
    http://apollohoax.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=othertheories&action=display&thread=2206

    They pretty much destroyed the credibility of those two sites when they didn't seriously address the evidence.
    http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1222

    It's pretty clear that they're government damage-control sites.

    Here's some good research if anyone wants to delve further.
    http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/single/?p=48603&t=51606

    On this thread there's a debate between Jarrah White and Jay Windley.
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0446557/board/thread/133905495?p=1

    Jay Windley is the most famous pro-Apollo person on the internet.
    http://www.clavius.org/about.html

    Jarrah White is the main hoax-believer on the internet.
    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=moonfaker&aq=f

    In this video Jarrah says he stopped posting in that debate because the moderator was deleting his posts.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK9TXFQLjg4

    Jay Windley will only debate where the moderator will ride to his rescue when he's cornered.

    Here's some more stuff about Clavius and Bad Astronomy.
    http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=125628

    They may have faked the Mars missions too. Do a YouTube search on "MarsFaker" or click on this link.
    http://www.youtube.com/results?sear...750l0l78125l11l11l1l0l0l0l203l1252l3.6.1l10l0
     
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    ...continued

    http://theconspiracyzone.podcastpeople.com/posts/28159
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    Q: Why do prominent astronomers like Sir Bernard Lovell and Patrick Moore support the Moon landings if they were faked?

    A: Scientists and astronomers around the globe know full well that the Moon missions were faked, but rely on NASA to gain access to the vital data beamed back to Earth from the Hubble space telescope. They cannot slag off NASA otherwise NASA would deprive them of this essential information, which they so much require.
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    Q: What about the vast number of people involved in Apollo, wouldn’t someone have spoken out.

    A: Pan’s claim there were half a million people involved in the Apollo program, but that includes all the humble engineers working on machine parts in many companies around the globe. So if someone is making a part in some engineering factory in Seattle, and his boss tells him it’s for the Apollo spacecraft, is that engineer proof the landings took place? No of course it is not proof, and even if that engineer knew they never made it to the Moon, he would still brag to his friends that he made a part that went to the Moon just to make him feel proud in some way or other. Parts for the Apollo program were made at many different factories around the globe. For example the laser reflector supposedly left on the Moon was manufactured in France. NASA collected the unit from the French company, and that was the last they saw of it. It’s probably stashed away in some archive at Langley, but one things for certain it’s not on the Moon. Are those French engineers proof they landed on the Moon? No of course not, as very few, (probably less than 200 people), were actually involved in bringing the whole lot together, so as to minimize what was actually taking place. No need for any of them to speak out because (A) They are 100% patriotic to the USA, and would say nothing that would go against America, even if it were true. (B) They do not need millions of dollars to safeguard their future, as they have already received substantial amounts from NASA just to “keep mum”. Read comments from people who worked on the Apollo program in the APOLLO FEEDBACK section.
     
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    same old tired,sorry assed spam from scott/cosmored/fatty88/david c......


    Not one whit of itwould be considered anything more than opinion
     
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    The Laser Ranging Retroflector (LRRR) left on the moon was manufactured by the Bendix Aerospace corporation,and was made in America.
     
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    That's quite a wall of BS. Do you have any other obsessions?
     
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    didnt anyone tell you utube is 99.9 fake..
     
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    and by the way back in the 70s I was in an astronomy class and we went to Mount Hamilton and looked through the telescope and was able to see the lunar lander there..
     
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    Who can know for sure...

    But does it really matter?
     
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    Anyone who actually researches the facts of the matter rather than relying on a massive list of kook claims, of course.

    It would matter to me if NASA had actually managed to fool the world, including the global scientific community. That would have been quite a feat - especially when they flew not one, but six manned Apollo missions all the way to the lunar surface and back, with others having gone out to the moon without actually having set down. Apollo 13 did that due to disaster, of course, but even Apollo 10 had gone out there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_10

    Apollo 10 was the fourth manned mission in the United States Apollo space program. It was an F type mission—its purpose was to be a "dry run" for the Apollo 11 mission, testing all of the procedures and components of a Moon landing without actually landing on the Moon itself. The mission included the second crew to orbit the Moon and an all-up test of the lunar module (LM) in lunar orbit. The LM came to within 8.4 nautical miles (15.6 km)[2] of the lunar surface during practice maneuvers.

    According to the 2002 Guinness World Records, Apollo 10 set the record for the highest speed attained by a manned vehicle at 39,897 km/h (11.08 km/s or 24,791 mph) during the return from the Moon on May 26, 1969.
     
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    If the Surveyor program was real, they had the technology to soft-land robot craft on the moon.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKainIQiaKA
    (3:26:20 time mark)

    Therefore, laser reflectors on the moon are not proof that there were people on the moon.

    The anomalies in the footage show that what NASA showed the public was filmed in a studio. There are plausible scenarios that would explain what you said:

    You might be lying.
    NASA might have actually soft-landed a robot craft on the moon to fool people with big telescopes.

    Your statement doesn't make the hoax proof go away.
     
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    It proves you were lying about the LRRR being made by a french company..


    And there still is NO proof of any moon hoax by you,scott/cosmored/fatty88/david c

    'possible scenarios' aren't proof either.
     
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    I just came across that webpage. I mainly wanted to make the point that large numbers of people can be fooled. I never checked to see who actually made the reflectors. It's possible that an American company did make the reflectors but those reflectors never went to the moon. If there are reflectors on the moon, they are probably attached to the sides to the upper part of a robotic lander. The upper part can probably turn 360 degrees and the reflectors can probably be adjusted up and down.

    You don't seem to have looked at posts #1 and #2.
     
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    That's a whole (*)(*)(*)(*)load of probablies with zero proof to back up your bull(*)(*)(*)(*). When are you going to come to grips with the fact your opinion is not evidence?
     
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    Probably not. It was probably placed there by astronauts.

    http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2611/4124273186_95d907d7da_o.jpg

    ^ The LRO even spotted it when it caught the Apollo 11 landing site in one of its lunar surface images. The same for the Apollo 15 site.
     
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    Makes one wonder how much of scott/cosmored/fatty88/david c's stuff he didn't bother to check to see if it was correct
     
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    Are you saying that those pictures aren't fakable with today's computer technology?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRE7grId3sI
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKj5fckUX-c
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc2kijG8YdY

    If something is fakable, it isn't proof as it might be fake.

    Let's hear your analysis of this anomaly.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymwE1sNm82Y
    (2:35 time mark)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7yc2rVOs00
     
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    Then by your own admission, NOTHING can be proof because EVERYTHING can be faked. Face it. It is a cheap assed copout of an excuse to pretend that any evidence you don't like is fake therefore dismissable while all your "evidence" (which is based on opinion and retarded claims of "probably") is good. It is absolutely deplorable how dishonest conspiracy theorists are by having these huge double standards for evidence. If they like it, it is iron clad and unassailable and anyone who says different is a shill. If they don't like it, it is fake. Bull(*)(*)(*)(*).
     
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    In post #17 I posted what I say is proof that the footage NASA showed us was faked in a studio. Now you're supposed to explain why I'm wrong.
     
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    Why?...you still haven't proven why you're RIGHT.
     
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    It is possible your "proof" is fake. How do we know your "sources" haven't been manipulated? Is it possible they could be faked? Because according to you, if something is fakeable, it isn't proof as it might be fake.
     
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    You're a very long way from demonstrating that lunar footage was "faked in a studio." I think you fail to comprehend just how much you would actually have to account for in order for that conclusion to be justified.

    The "waving flag" stuff is always highly dubious at best, because there also exists plenty of footage where the flag doesn't move at all. When it does move, there are astronauts around it, and it also moves in a manner consistent with being in a vacuum, not in an atmosphere. The waving flag footage I've seen to date features either a flag swinging back and forth due to an astronaut adjusting its pole or a flag moving slightly when an astronaut passes by it, also in a swinging motion consistent with a vacuum rather than an environment with an atmosphere.

    People have worked out how it moves mathematically. It has been mathematically proven that the flag motions (and certain other motions in other Apollo footage) were taking place in a vacuum, AND subject to lunar gravity! Your rants don't even begin to account for that. You simply declare with no basis whatsoever that the flag should not move the way you see it moving. You offer no detail in this, but rather simply conclude that it PROVES that it was happening in some studio on Earth. No, Cosmo, it does not. It presents a minor mystery to be investigated, but it certainly doesn't prove what you seem to think it should any more than any other pro-hoax claim I've seen or heard.

    All you do is argue from a position of ignorance and declare that people who clearly know more than you and disagree with you about it are all lying. That's biased, paranoid thinking.
     
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    Here is the original footage released by NASA.
    http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/a15v.1485317.rm

    If you look at it, you'll see it's exactly the same.

    Please posts a link to some footage in which an astronaut trots by the flag in a way that would make it move on earth and it doesn't move.

    You're being deliberately vague to confuse people. We have to look at the footage you're referring to to see if the astronauts are touching it or causing air to move. Show us the footage you're describing.

    Show us the footage you're referring to so that we can actually analyze it. Describing something we can't see doesn't prove anything.

    Post it so that we can analyze it.

    There are sophists on the internet who "Prove" things. The astronaut didn't touch the flag and it moved. It moved in a way that is consistent with the atmosphere scenario atmosphere. It didn't move in a way that's consistent with the static electricity scenario, or the vibration scenario.


    This video shows that it wasn't a trick of light caused by the camera.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMpmjEv9o0

    It's definitely movement.

    This one and the above one prove that it started moving before the astronaut got close enough to touch it.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW9qcL4LiUg

    Here are some analyses of the flag anomaly.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?playne...layList&v=Zr76qSQ9ZQQ&list=PL41BF9062EF97A674
    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=moonfaker+flagging+the+dead+horses&aq=f

    Now please post some of the stuff you're describing so that we can actually analyze it.
     
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    If NASA's footage has evidence of a hoax in it, why are they still making that footage freely available to the public without so much as an edit?
     

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