So much opinion and speculation, presented as 'fact!' This is false. It is a prejudicial belief, only. Lack of corroborating evidence does not invalidate what evidence there is. ..just keep pounding the lies and propaganda drums.. so dedicated to smearing the bible and Christianity .. kind of pathetic... Prejudicial opinions, asserted as 'fact!' Absurd. What is asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence. Some 'theory!' of error is hardly proof. An internet YouTube video is hardly compelling evidence, refuting millennia of archaeological discoveries. Speculation, not evidenced. Lack of corroborating evidence does not negate the evidence that exists. You need to distinguish between fact and belief... All of your 'errors!' presented are opinions and speculations, not facts. You merely choose to believe these things, based on hostility and bigotry toward Christianity. Wild speculation, presented as fact. so you believe, with only hostile prejudice as evidence. Wild speculation. More of your 'indisputable evidence!'? Dogmatic declarations of plausible theories, as 'proven fact!' only damages your credibility, and exposes hostile prejudice. I do not expect objective scholarship or reason from a hostile competitor of Christianity . I don't have the time, nor the inclination to dismantle all the shotgun blasts of negative propaganda, asserted without evidence in this thread. If anyone wishes to address a specific passage, with a specific criticism (or question), i would be happy to examine the query. But page after page of false accusations, unevidenced assertions, speculations, and hostile bigotry is not scholarly analysis. It is propaganda, from a competing religious worldview, trying to smear the opposition. Christianity and the Bible has weathered millennia of attacks, false accusations, hostility, lies, and persecution. The bible has a long, thorough history of scrutiny, careful scholarship, and criticism that no other ancient text has faced. It has endured the flames of criticism, lies, false accusations, and ridicule, and always emerges unscathed, with nary the smell of smoke. It endures, bringing wisdom, insight, and spiritual power to the reader, while the hostile critics die and are forgotten.
You need to distinguish between Ice Ages and Glaciation Periods. What has this to do with religion? I suggest you see the distinction between an Ice age which lasts millions of years, and a glaciation period - tens of thousands of years - in an ice age. In other words only what you want to believe is valid. We get the idea. I repeat. Did Jesus go to Egypt according to Matthews use of Hosea 11. If so he must have fulfilled the rest of the prophecy. It all follows on. And was Jesus in Egypt and Nazareth at the same time As the contradiction between Matthew and Luke suggest? Why does Matthew suggest that God told Joseph to go to Nazareth and not Bethlehem. after Herod had died. After all, Joseph was from Nazareth. Why go to Bethlehem in the first place? Censuses were for taxation. Taxation was on property. Josephs property was in Nazareth - not Bethlehem - 90 miles and several days walk away. A heavily pregnant Mary would never have made it walking, and certainly not on a donkey. . You really think that after 1000 years since David, all the chaos that Bethlehem had gone through, the exile to Babylon, and the fact that many Jews had already fled to Egypt and Asia Minor, and many never returned to Palestine, preferring the life in Babylon. Bethlehem was used to fulfil a prophecy. that had nothing to do with Jesus. The Jewish preacher was probably born in Nazareth or nearby Bethlehem-in-Zebulon. He fulfilled the life and teaching of a Jewish 'evangelist' seeking to return his own people to Yahweh.
So I know because of basic geology and basic experimentation. You can see this phenomenon with any bottle of pond water. There is hard evidence for there not being a global flood. I've provided it and can provide more. Objectively speaking, the Bible is wrong on this. It never happened.
"I don't have the time, nor the inclination to dismantle all the shotgun blasts of negative propaganda, asserted without evidence in this thread. If anyone wishes to address a specific passage, with a specific criticism (or question), i would be happy to examine the query. But page after page of false accusations, unevidenced assertions, repeated lies, speculations, and hostile bigotry is not scholarly analysis. It is propaganda, from a competing religious worldview, trying to smear the opposition." The shotguns are not loaded, miss the target, or are shooting blanks. Nobody hits the bible, with their hostile smears and irrational hatred. Lots of noise & indignation, but lies will not diminish the power of the biblical texts, and their significance in human history. Believe whatever you want. Lap up the lies and smears, if that pleases you. But long after the bible haters are gone, this Book will still be enlightening and empowering people. Truth has a way of striking a chord, that lies cannot touch.
A bottle of pond water shows that when sediments settle in water they do so according to sediment size, thanks to basic physics. You can try it yourself some time. Sand settles at the bottom, then silt, then clay, forming bands based on sediment size. This happens every time sediment settles in water . . . because physics. With me so far? Because this basic junior high geology disproves the global flood. If there were a global flood, it would have left global evidence in the form a globe-spanning bands of sediment sorted in this way. We should be thankful, though, because this means that if a God exists then he isn't as stupidly psychopathic as he is sometimes described in the Bible.
Yes, the hydrolic action and forces inside a bottle are exactly the same as a global catastrophic event.. Seriously? This is so naive.. have you advanced beyond junior high science classes? Don't you realize the forces increase exponentially, with increased hydrolic scouring? There is no way to repeat the forces involved in a bottle or tub. Speculations about observable reality have no exact way to declare 'such and such!' happened. Dogmatism is the way of anti-science mandaters, not possibility, understanding, or insight into the natural world.
This is not to mention that the opening verses of Genesis were read by American astronauts as they orbited the moon for the first time.
You are suggesting some kind of mysterious and unknown "force" that violates the laws of physics. Turbidity doesn't change the facts I've described.
Mass murder is bad. This shouldn't be controversial, especially for someone who believes in objective morality.
Actually, one correction to the above: very high turbidity can produce UNsorted sediment. What it can't produce well defined layers in a different order, however. If the global flood was turbidity the entire time, we'd see a global layer of UNsorted sediment. We don't. If a global flood became still (or roughly still) water, we'd see global layers of hydrologically sorted layers. We don't. When you see well-defined layers outside of this order, then we know for a fact they weren't deposited by the same flood event. That is indeed what we see in geology.
I'm glad you are so certain of results of a global scale catastrophe, with only conjecture and belief to guide you. It is not very scientific, but people of faith rarely are..
A global geological catastrophe would leave global geological evidence. Yes, this is very scientific. It is called a hypothesis. The fact that you are bummed that it empirically disproves your faith does not maaaaagically make it unscientific. Sorry.
You probably didn't even watch the video which is only 6 minutes long and gets straight to the point. I've said this before: there are Youtube atheists who are miles more well researched and articulate than myself. Some of them like Theramintrees I am convinced would cause 99% of all theists to either become atheist or at least understand where atheists are coming from with their arguments and stop accusing them of intentional self deception and suppressing their secret belief in God. You actually want me to regurgitate the exact words into keystrokes? Better that I show you where I get my facts from.
Yes. I've read publications about the side of a mountain sliding into the sea. The elevated water marks are on the sides of other mountains that were on the receiving end of the tsunami. The Chixulu crater (or however it's spelled) is in the Caribbean. The meteor that made it is commonly cited as a 65 million years ago event. That seems like a respectable professional assessment. There was a meteor strike around 1200 BC. Pinatubo erupted on 1050 +/- 500 BC. Those were rough times for sure.
There is hard evidence. You refuse to accept it. The Hydrological system in the Bible shows the impossibility of a Noahs flood. Water comes from the ocean and returns to the ocean by means of gravity and river systems.
Those who accept a worldwide flood, especially as biblically described...clearly have poor understanding of many aspects of physical reality and biological/animal function. I would simply ask them how an Emu walked to the middle east.
I think this was a 'short distance' Tsunami affecting the area around it. It rather depends on where a meteor landed - in the middle of the Pacific ocean or nearer land. In any case, I'm not worried. I've built a submarine in my back yard and pointed its bow directly to the coast. No room for animals, but I and 3 concubines have a shared room. .. Ooops. I shouldn't have told you that.
Apparently you lack the understanding of what human witnessing is. There's no evidence of Nanjing massacre ever happened, which is an historical event as near as in WWII and possibly involving the death of 300,000 humans. However by testimonies gathered by the Chinese, this did happen disregarding the lack of evidence. History is not for being evidenced. It is mostly a result of human witnessing/testimonies ultimately coming from the eye-witnesses accounts. Your failure of grasping this remains the flaw of your line of reasoning. Witness one: you received a call and when back to office right away. Witness two: you received a call and when to a coffee shop and bought a cup of coffee before you rushed to office. There is no necessarily a contradiction there. It's a matter of the different perspectives used by the different accounts of testimonies to describe the same scenario. Human don't put everything into documents, this is especially true before the invention of paper. They only write down there points of interests they believe that they did happen. In the above scenario witness one has all the various reasons to skip the coffee shop part, such as he deems it not important in his testimony. He's not sure whether that part actually occurred, thus he only writes down what seems to be the sure parts to him, and etc. In the end, this is the nature of what human witnessing is!
"Nobody hits the bible" only because those defending it as somehow infallible are unwilling to examine or discuss evidence. It is all faith. By that standard, there are many books that are similarly "untouched." For example, you dismiss out of hand the claim that Moses did not write the first five books of the Bible (something the Bible doesn't even claim in the first place), despite academic research demonstrating this going at least all of the way back to Spinoza.
Well, the bible and other great religious books were apparently necessary in order that our species could at some point create civilization. I see these books as evolutionary tools that were needed in order for the human brain to manifest civilization and therefore obviously essential. And it matters not, from this perspective is any of them contain any relevant truth, other than the truth present, and needed when it comes to human behavior that create rules for living together as a species and the essential cooperation mandatory for the rise of civilization.
