The Catholic Church is a criminal organization...

Tell me the name of the other church/churches before Catholicism and tell me when the Catholic Church broke from it?. The onus is on you to prove the Catholic Church is not the same Church Jesus established. The Catholic Church can trace it's lineage right back to Jesus. Every Protestant church can only trace itself back to the reformation or else prove otherwise. The onus is on you, we have proof, you do not, it's that simple.

 

What proof is that?

 

When you answer my question then I will answer yours.

 

You sir/madam, have over stepped the bounds. Nice to show all of us the greatness of christianity. Especially the roman catholic version you claim to be.

 

The reason for attacking or disputing is because many find the straying from original intent to be wrong. This is the times the RC started leaving the chruch of christ.

The church slowly began straying, it didn't happen on any specific date or time. It was centuries in the making. The bible was compiled by constantine. Not sure how he had the authority, I don't think he did. Another reason I think today's religions are all false religions.

I don't know.

Are they allowed to have sex with boys? That error free church?

 

So why do protestants believe in the divinity of Jesus?
Why do they believe in the Holy Trinity?
These things are nowhere to be found in the Bible.
Another thing is purgatory is backed by the Bible, the only problem is Protestants decided to toss out the books that supported it.

If you believe the Church began to stray and yet not believe in any religion, what could it have possibly strayed from?.
The Catholic Church did not stray, give me some doctrines you believe it is wrong in teaching, and I will try to provide a defense for them.

The Bible was not compiled or ordered to be compiled by Constantine. He had a big part in helping (as did the Holy Spirit) implement, the coming together of scriptures and theologians as to decide what books were going to be in the Bible. But the Bible took a couple of hundred years or more to be what we know what is today. Then after using it for over a 1000 years some Protestant (Martin Luther) decides he does not like some of the books and gets rid of them. Then the irony of the whole thing is he claims the Bible is sole authority and people no longer need the Catholic Church to help them to understand the meaning of the Bible.
The Catholic Churches teachings are without error, I do not know of any doctrine in the Catholic Church that says little boys are to be molested. Please do not come up with an offensive comment because you can give no good argument. I think most of your posts have been sincere and I fully welcome your questions, but I thought how you ended this post was just rude.

 

There is no name for the Church established by Jesus. It is not in the Bible, nor is any denomination. However Catholic simply means universal. It is not a title it is a universal Church. Before the reformation it was just regarded as the Church. Each denomination had to distinguish itself from other denominations. The Catholic Church is the Church all other forms of Christianity was born out of. No other Church can trace it's lineage right back to Christ, where Catholicism can. Authority was given to Peter and every Pope since then has had authority passed down from then.
Now you prove me wrong and tell me the first Church and give me your reason and we shall compare arguments.

 

Since the name Catholic Church is not mentioned by name in the Bible nor did Jesus say His Church would be called Catholic it would be unbiblical to say it is the original Church. It would be like a man whose last name is Bush claiming that Bush Jr, the former President of the U.S is his brother. A name alone is not proof since anyone can give themselves whatever name they want in order to make a false claim. And just because the protestant Church broke off from the Catholic Church is not proof that the Catholic Church is the first Church. In fact, no denominations is named in the Bible as being Jesus' Church because His Church was not founded by anyone but Him, that is why in the Bible it is called the Church of God.....that is the name that is used.

So Jesus’ Church has nothing to do with any denomination because denominations are names given by human beings, and no human being has any control over whom God gives His Spirit to......so neither you nor the Catholic Church as any authority to say the Catholic Church is the true Church because it is not the Catholic Church that imparts the Holy Spirit......it is God that does.

So God's true Church are all those in whom the Holy Spirit is in regardless of man's denominations.......God's Church transcends denominations and cannot be confined to any Church, because it is God’s Church. So saying that the Catholic Church is the true Church or the original is trying to confine God's Church to your organization. Jesus said His sheep hears His voice and will only follow Him, He did not say they will follow some man whom in the Church speaks for Jesus. No one in Jesus’ Church speaks for Jesus…..Jesus speaks for Himself to those who hears His voice. And all those in whom the Holy Spirit lives in represents Jesus on the Earth……I represents Jesus and all others that are like myself.

 

If you don't understand the word "catholic" then try it with the expression "universal"

Now when Jesus saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to him, and he began to teach them. He said: 'Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted. Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth. Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled. Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy. Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God. Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God. Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 'Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you. http://youtu.be/_JJx_NkT2N4

 

Wrong, Catholic Church have make a lot of good thing; that's not because some people of this organization have make some shameful thing that we must said that all the Catholic Chruch is a criminal organisation!

 

Sorry, but you did say the RC church has been error free since Peter was made pope. That is the latest and quite huge problem for the church. And points to the church not being error free. RC church morphed into a man doctirnated religion much like all religions today.

I thin another biggie was the protestants, ML, specifically, believed the bible to be 100% error free and the actul, literal word of God. The RC chruch no longer holds that to be true.

 

Of course they all can. Or at least most, as they originate from what is now the RC version of catholicism. They just split from them because it was believed the chruch had strayed to far from the original teachings of Jesus.

 

No longer? All "sola" (="only") statements from the protestants are causing problems and as far as I know never a Catholic accepted any "sola" statements - except the sola statement "there is only one [triune] god" or "there is only one [common] truth". Always someone was able to be a very good catholic Christian without the ability or possiblity to read the bible or to understand every theological discussion and academic question.

http://youtu.be/_9OEV7Wc7do

 

Luke 1:26-38
26 In the sixth month, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee,27 to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin’s name was Mary.28The angel went to her and said, "Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you."

29 Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be.30 But the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, you have found favor with God.31 You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus.32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David,33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end."

34 "How will this be," Mary asked the angel, "since I am a virgin?"

35 The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.36 Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be barren is in her sixth month.37 For nothing is impossible with God."

38 "I am the Lord's servant," Mary answered. "May it be to me as you have said." Then the angel left her.

God made her sinless, that is why even Gabriel respected her when he delivered God's message. And Mary humble herself "may it be me as you have said".

 

Sorry, I'm still not seeing it. Born sinless?

 

I don't see anything in those verses that say that God made her sinless......being a servant of God and or being found favor with God does not make one sinless. You believe that because that is what you are told to believe by those in the Catholic Church.

 

Let me say it in this way: If one day mother Mary will come on my death bed then I will take her hand like a little child full of trust and I will go with her - because I love her. If you will come to my death bed then perhaps I should take your hand and take you with me - because I love the world.

http://youtu.be/INu3UQ35yVk

 

And what does that have to do with what I said? And I don't need you or want you to take me anywhere wherever that might be.

 

Be careful. Your church, liberals, covers up crimes by unions, corrupt politicians, felonious community organizers, and peoophiles. The organization nurturing pedophiles more than any other would be the U.N. When the pedophiles get caught the U.N. rushes them out of the country and sends them to another. Actually, your premise is as ludicrous as mine and no more accurate.

 

Well at least you finally admit your premise is ludicrous.
Baby steps.

 

OK, so it's not just me. I thought I had a comprehension problem. That is 2X someone posted those verses about the immaculate conception. And both times I'm left scratching my head.

 

It has to do with your bad behavior in combination with your kind of napoleonic complex. No Jew, Muslim or Christian would try to use mother Mary as a weapon against other people. I told you that god would be an evil entity if mother Mary was not able to do the 100% free and perfect decision to bear Jesus. And this perfect free decision - in perfect harmony with the will of god - is only possible if Mary was without sin. And please don't tell me now that the book that was written from Jews and orthodox Catholics a long time before the first protestants were able to use printing machines - is more important to you then a living person.

Aha ... I assume I understand ... but where's written this in the bible?

http://youtu.be/33XotuYs-io

 

You can say what you want all day long it won't change the fact that none of those verses say she was sinless. Even John the Baptist, the only man to ever have the Holy Spirit while he was still a fetus in his mother’s womb was not sinless. But using your argument someone could say he was sinless.

 

There we have it the immaculate conception is really the immaculate deception.

 

Mother Mary is without sin. That's the catholic belief - nothing else. And while lots of protestants - not so Buddhists, not so Hindi and normally also not Muslims - nearly always only protestants - throw millions over millions of first stones on her, she's still well alive and well respected.

By the way. Some years ago a female bishop of the protestants here in Germany was a little frustrated because she was missing the female element in her church. So she placed a statue of the ancient egypt godess Isis in her house to feel more comfortable. This was not a big problem - but I imagine very hot discussions in the protestant world, if she had placed a statue of mother Mary in her house - the mother of the man who was the reason for her own religion. Perhaps she was right to place Isis there instead of mother Mary - otherwise she had damaged maybe the loveful feelings for her.

http://youtu.be/j0JiEglvJic