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Mary was chosen before she was ever born, she was born with the grace of God, without sin.
In the OT vessels that were used to hold the burned offerings or the blood from sacrifical offerings were not permitted to be used for anything else they were made for that sole purpose. They were never permitted to be ever sullied, they were kept clean and held in great reverence within the temples. Now just think how much more precious is the vessel that brought the true sacrifical lamb into the world, our Lord Jesus. How much more reverence do you think we should hold for Mary, the sacrifice she held and carried was much more precious than any dove, pigeon, ram, or goat. Yet you think the other inanimate vessels were permitted to be kept clean, and the living breathing one that brought forth the redeemer was permitted to be with sin. Mary accepted and complied with the grace of God, who had ordained her to be the Mother of Jesus before she was ever born. She was born without sin her conception was immaculate, her mother Anne, knew she was bringing someone very important into the world, just as Mary knew.

 

The 7 books were included under the authority of the Church which decided what books made up the Bible in the first place.
What I want to know under what authority were they excluded?.
So are you asaying the Bible is wrong?.
Constantine converted to Christianity, before the Bible was compiled.

 

The 7 books were included under the authority of the Church which decided what books made up the Bible in the first place.
What I want to know under what authority were they excluded?.
So are you asaying the Bible is wrong?.
Constantine converted to Christianity, before the Bible was compiled.

 

Sorry, that does not cut it. What the church believes to be so, does not make is so. At best all you have is a theory.

 

Who authorized the chruch? And how?

 

It’s not even Biblical to say she was without sin and all those who the Bible says are called were chosen before they were born and even John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit before he was born......even Paul was a chosen vessel of God.

Romans 8:29-30 (NKJV)
29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

Jeremiah was chosen to be a prophet of God before he was even conceived.

Jeremiah 1:5 (NKJV)
5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations."

Paul was among all of God's people who are chosen vessels of God.

Acts 9:15-16 (ASV)
15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles and kings, and the children of Israel:
16 for I will show him how many things he must suffer for my name's sake.

John the Baptist had the Holy Spirit while he was still in his mother's womb.

Luke 1:13-15 (ASV)
13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: because thy supplication is heard, and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.
14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.
15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and he shall drink no wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb.

So there is nothing special about Mary above the rest.

 

I will respond to your 2 posts on this 1.
The Church believed it should compile the Bible. The Church taught the doctrine of the Holy Trinity, the divinity of Jesus. You believe it to be right in these things, which are not in the Bible. Lutherans also accept the changing of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday where do you think that came from. As a Protestant you take the things you like from the Catholic Church. The things that are opposed to your personal theology you choose to ignore. The fact that the very earliest Christians believed in the Immaculate Conception is not enough for you, even though they also are the people that compiled the Bible. These are the people who handed on the faith, but you want to just simply make it up as you go.

Jesus established the Church and he gave authority to Peter, it is quite evident in the Bible if you were an unbias reader.

Peter means rock. Jesus changed the name Simon to Peter, Protestants will tell you all kinds of reasons but the most logical one is Peter is the rock the Church is built upon. It also makes more sense if the passage is read this way. "You are Peter (rock) upon this rock I build my Church". Interpreted any other way and it would be bad grammer on the part of our Lord.
However some people refuse to see what is right in front of them.

I have some questions.
Did Martin Luther have authority to remove 7 books from the Bible?.
Who had the authority to compile the Bible?.
Those who compiled the Bible were they infallible whilst compiling it?
How did early Christians manage before the Bible was compiled?

 

Of course there is something special about Mary, she is the mother of God. She is the mother of our Saviour.
Who could possibly love God more than she does.
She is daughter to God the father, Mother to God the son, and spouse to God the Holy Spirit. She is also our mother given to us by Jesus from the cross on Calvary.
Honour thy Father and Mother, is that not what we are told.

 

Has been since there has been Romans....

 

LOL.....And yet Jesus did not regard her any better than anyone else.

Matthew 12:46-50 (ASV)
46 While he was yet speaking to the multitudes, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, seeking to speak to him.
47 And one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, seeking to speak to thee.
48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
49 And he stretched forth his hand towards his disciples, and said, Behold, my mother and my brethren!
50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father who is in heaven, he is my brother, and sister, and mother.

The above not only shows that Jesus did not exalt His mother anymore than everyone else but it also proves that His mother had other children after Jesus, since Mathew tell us that His mother was nearby and even someone who was with the crowed told Jesus that His mother and His brothers (another fallacy of the Catholic Church is that Jesus was Mary’s only son) was outside and wanted to speak with Him.

 

So you believe there is nothing special about the ark of the covenant?.

In those times friends were called brothers and sisters as was cousins, any scholar or theologian worth their salt will tell you this.
Most Protestants would also disagree with your perception.

 

This verse shows something very different from what you are suggesting, that Christ's use of the word "brethren" is haphazard and doesn't seek to communicate where His allegiances lie.
If you want to lean on authority to make your case, you would be well advised to cite one or two. It is quite telling that you don't.

 

The greek word for brother is adelphos, for sister is adelphe, for brothers plural it is adelphoi. The word for brother can also mean any male relative and the same as sister any female relative, in some circumstances it is even for very close friends. Jesus also "says what you do to the least of my brethern you do to me". Tell me do you believe in this statement Jesus was talking about his biological brothers only?.

Lot was call Abraham's brother, but how could that be when Lot was son of Haran, Abrahams brother, Lot was in fact Abrahams nephew.

 

The only thing that was special about the Ark of the Covenant back then was that God's presence was in it but it is not that way today. God's presence is in His people.....those who are filled with His Spirit and are busy doing what He command them to do.

The people Jesus was referring to were not biologically related to Him. And show me in the Bible in which it was common back then to call one's friend brothers? Jesus never referred to His disciples as brothers until after His resurrection.....before that they called Him Master and He called them servants and He later on call them friends.

 

You don't understand, but you just agreed with me.

 

God's presence was also in the womb of the virgin Mary. Your argument makes no sense. Are you denying that Jesus is also God?.

There is loads of references of people back then calling male relatives brothers even though they were not brothers.
I have given you a couple of example already if you want more let me know.

 

How am I agreeing with you?. If you are claiming Jesus had siblings, I am showing that in the Bible the word brother, brethern and sister are not always associated with siblings. These terms can also represent any relative cousins, uncles, aunts, and nephews, and nieces.

Haran was Abraham's brother. Haran was also Lot's father. Lot was not Abraham's brother, he was his nephew. If the Bible is interpretted in the way some Protestants interpret it, it would also be saying Abraham and Lot were siblings, but we know this is not true.

 

What I am showing is where Christ's allegiance was.
Mary was not held above all others. She was subject to the same judgment as all others. She had no claims to divinity, no reason to worship her.

 

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http://youtu.be/5rxCYLGqNfs

 

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Respice post te, hominem te esse memento
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Respice post te, hominem te esse memento
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http://youtu.be/zM3bGqMVWK8

 

[video=youtube_share;ZmlQSxK3J6o]http://youtu.be/ZmlQSxK3J6o[/video]

 

What is this supposed to show?
We know that some people have irrationally attributed the divine to Mary.
Christ simply wasn't one of them.

 

What an arrogance to try to speak in the name of Christ against people who are respecting his mother. What an arrogance. Unbelieveable.

[video=youtube_share;QR3Y5hDncn4]http://youtu.be/QR3Y5hDncn4[/video]

 

The scripture has already been posted to support my post. Being offended by scripture won't change that.

 

And so was He in John the baptist so you arugument is mute.....John was filled with the Spirit while he was in his mother's womb. Jesus even spoke heighly of John.

Matthew 11:11 (ASV)
11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not arisen a greater than John the Baptist: yet he that is but little in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

How is it that Jesus did not say that about Mary?

I did not asked you about that I asked you to show me in the Bible where it was common to call friends brothers, but the fact is there are no scriptures that say that. But the truth is Jesus had younger sibling as it plainly says that Jesus was Mary’s first born son.

Matthew 1:18-25 (KJV)
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.
20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.


Mary could not have a first born if Jesus was her only born. And there is no scripture that says that Mary remain a virgin that is a false teaching by the Catholic Church.